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Yeah. Then the chauffeur takes over.Mr. Dazzle wrote: Sat Jan 21, 2023 5:46 pm Modern cars already know when you're holding the steering wheel, usually via sensors in the rim, even if the OEMs don't exactly shout about that.
AFAIK the Mercedes S-Class is already homolgated in the EU to self drive up to 30something mph?
They are probably ahead of the curve?Mr. Dazzle wrote: Sat Jan 21, 2023 5:46 pm Modern cars already know when you're holding the steering wheel, usually via sensors in the rim, even if the OEMs don't exactly shout about that.
AFAIK the Mercedes S-Class is already homolgated in the EU to self drive up to 30something mph?
Tesla have something similar and there is a video of some American being driven along the freeway for miles at speed with an orange wedged into the steering wheel so the thing thinks his hand is resting on the wheel. Make something idiot proof and along will come a bigger idiotHorse wrote: Sat Jan 21, 2023 6:43 pmThey are probably ahead of the curve?Mr. Dazzle wrote: Sat Jan 21, 2023 5:46 pm Modern cars already know when you're holding the steering wheel, usually via sensors in the rim, even if the OEMs don't exactly shout about that.
AFAIK the Mercedes S-Class is already homolgated in the EU to self drive up to 30something mph?
EU General Safety Regulation
Secondary type approval legislation for the following vehicle safety measures (GSR5):
Advanced Emergency Braking Systems (light duty, vehicles and pedestrians/cyclists)
Driver Monitoring
Driver Drowsiness and Attention monitoring and Warning (DDAW),
Advanced Distraction Recognition (ADR), and
Driver Readiness Monitoring for Automated Driving (DRMAD)
I passed a Merc sitting in the middle lane on the motorway in 2021 with the driver with his hands behind his head...Mr. Dazzle wrote: Sat Jan 21, 2023 5:46 pm Modern cars already know when you're holding the steering wheel, usually via sensors in the rim, even if the OEMs don't exactly shout about that.
AFAIK the Mercedes S-Class is already homolgated in the EU to self drive up to 30something mph?
A mate said:exportman wrote: Sat Jan 21, 2023 9:14 pm Make something idiot proof and along will come a bigger idiot
And it's mostly rigorously maintained.Cousin Jack wrote: Sun Jan 22, 2023 1:05 pm To be fair, the airfield needs to be equipped with some high-tech kit. Try to use autopilot to land in a field and it will all end in tears.
He was doubtful that driverless cars were ready to be deployed elsewhere. “Could these vehicles be used in various cities? Well, yes, because we have very lax regulations in the United States and there’s nothing preventing their deployment,” he said.wheelnut wrote: Sat Feb 04, 2023 9:33 pm A report in The Times about the San Francisco testing
San Francisco, the city driven to distraction by autonomous car glitches
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/82d6 ... 66835c69d6
Try to remember also Chesley Burnett "Sully" Sullenberger III, and many other less spectacular instances. Pilots do make mistakes, but when lots of electrical or mechanical stuff fails it is often the wetware that mitigates the fall out.Horse wrote: Mon Feb 27, 2023 7:54 am Self-driving cars? Pah - nothing to worry about!
Remember the 737 Max?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/suzannerow ... 9059bb45ea
InJanuary, Boeing CEO Dave Calhoun revealed an open secret in the world of aviation. “I think the future of autonomy is real for civil,” he told Bloomberg TV, before quickly offering some qualifiers. “It’s going to take time. Everyone’s got to build confidence. We need a certification process that we all have faith and believe in.”
The U.S. military has been flying autonomous planes for decades, of course, but always in a segregated airspace. Now it’s becoming increasingly clear that self-flying planes are coming to commercial aviation, and not in some distant Jetsons future world. Aircraft manufacturers are working toward it. Airlines are eager for it. The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) is preparing for it. And pilot unions acknowledge the threat is looming on the horizon.
A decade ago, the conversation was largely speculative. But today, many in the aviation industry believe that small, self-flying planes could be carrying passengers by the end of this decade. Then, barring no major safety incidents, it could take as little as another decade before larger passenger jets operate without a pilot on the flight deck.
It would be interesting to know how often they do actually make those 'saves'. Sully was lucky that there was a big enough stretch of water. Can't see that sort of success on the Thames near HeathrowCousin Jack wrote: Mon Feb 27, 2023 11:09 am
Try to remember also Chesley Burnett "Sully" Sullenberger III, and many other less spectacular instances. Pilots do make mistakes, but when lots of electrical or mechanical stuff fails it is often the wetware that mitigates the fall out.
Similar to the crash on the M1 at east midlands airport in the 80s - engine failed and the first office shut down the good engine ....Horse wrote: Mon Feb 27, 2023 12:06 pmIt would be interesting to know how often they do actually make those 'saves'. Sully was lucky that there was a big enough stretch of water. Can't see that sort of success on the Thames near HeathrowCousin Jack wrote: Mon Feb 27, 2023 11:09 am
Try to remember also Chesley Burnett "Sully" Sullenberger III, and many other less spectacular instances. Pilots do make mistakes, but when lots of electrical or mechanical stuff fails it is often the wetware that mitigates the fall out.
I was reading one a few days ago. Coming in to land, 'pilot flying' gave an instruction, 2nd pilot repeated it. Unfortunately, instead of lowering flaps, he feathered both propellors. PF realised plane was falling, applied my power. But to no effect.
Now, is that an 'error', or poorly-designed controls, or ... ?
I posted a link to plans for that in the 'news' thread.
