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That's clearly Spider Monkey anyway.

How did he get a camera to take a picture of what he was actually seeing on the LSD?

KungFooBob wrote: Wed May 08, 2024 4:45 pm How did he get a camera to take a picture of what he was actually seeing on the LSD?

I want some of what that camera's been smoking.

Camera work by H.P.Lovecraft.

Slenver wrote: Wed May 08, 2024 4:51 pm

KungFooBob wrote: Wed May 08, 2024 4:45 pm How did he get a camera to take a picture of what he was actually seeing on the LSD?

I want some of what that camera's been smoking.

It was twilight (spooky!), taken through our living room window at about 30ft using my phone camera

Incidents. Between 1907 and 2023, there have been 156 fatalities during official practices or races on the Snaefell Mountain Course, and 269 total fatalities (this number includes the riders killed during the Manx Grand Prix, and Clubman TT race series of the late 1940s/1950s).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isle_of_M ... 0s%2F1950s).

Taipan wrote: Sat Jun 15, 2024 11:12 am

Incidents. Between 1907 and 2023, there have been 156 fatalities during official practices or races on the Snaefell Mountain Course, and 269 total fatalities (this number includes the riders killed during the Manx Grand Prix, and Clubman TT race series of the late 1940s/1950s).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isle_of_M ... 0s%2F1950s).

Now get a statistician to work out how many that is per km raced - and do the same over the track circuit series. It's still high yes, but it's an incredible course with matching risks. And, TBF, that's only a little over one a year (and the Manx has more novices, so it's more likely there will be crashes) - very sad, but a risk everyone knows and is willing to take

Noggin wrote: Sat Jun 15, 2024 11:19 am

Taipan wrote: Sat Jun 15, 2024 11:12 am

Incidents. Between 1907 and 2023, there have been 156 fatalities during official practices or races on the Snaefell Mountain Course, and 269 total fatalities (this number includes the riders killed during the Manx Grand Prix, and Clubman TT race series of the late 1940s/1950s).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isle_of_M ... 0s%2F1950s).

Now get a statistician to work out how many that is per km raced - and do the same over the track circuit series. It's still high yes, but it's an incredible course with matching risks. And, TBF, that's only a little over one a year (and the Manx has more novices, so it's more likely there will be crashes) - very sad, but a risk everyone knows and is willing to take

There is no way you can ever make a course with a lap length of 37.75 miles, running through towns and villages with all the attendant road side hazards 'safe'. At least not without spending millions (probably billions) and totally transforming the look of the place (and doubtless facing stiff opposition from the people who actually live there). The risk is known by all and is staring you in the face, so no-one is under duress to race there. It wasn't always the case, of course but the TT lost World Championship status in the mid 1970s and still survives.

mangocrazy wrote: Sat Jun 15, 2024 12:26 pm

Noggin wrote: Sat Jun 15, 2024 11:19 am

Taipan wrote: Sat Jun 15, 2024 11:12 am

Incidents. Between 1907 and 2023, there have been 156 fatalities during official practices or races on the Snaefell Mountain Course, and 269 total fatalities (this number includes the riders killed during the Manx Grand Prix, and Clubman TT race series of the late 1940s/1950s).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isle_of_M ... 0s%2F1950s).

Now get a statistician to work out how many that is per km raced - and do the same over the track circuit series. It's still high yes, but it's an incredible course with matching risks. And, TBF, that's only a little over one a year (and the Manx has more novices, so it's more likely there will be crashes) - very sad, but a risk everyone knows and is willing to take

There is no way you can ever make a course with a lap length of 37.75 miles, running through towns and villages with all the attendant road side hazards 'safe'. At least not without spending millions (probably billions) and totally transforming the look of the place (and doubtless facing stiff opposition from the people who actually live there). The risk is known by all and is staring you in the face, so no-one is under duress to race there. It wasn't always the case, of course but the TT lost World Championship status in the mid 1970s and still survives.

Exactly. When I first marshalled there, the deputy marshall in my area did some stats that showed that there was very little difference per km raced between uk circuits as a whole and TT. That's the only reason I mention it.

I'd hate to see the TT and Manx stopped - they are amazing

In 1985 a New Orleans man drowned at a party attended by 100 lifeguards who were celebrating having made it through the summer without a drowning at a city pool.

Which season in 1985?

I remember 80,000 racing miles at a TT being mentioned one year I was there.

Noggin wrote: Sat Jun 15, 2024 11:19 am Now get a statistician to work out how many that is per km raced - and do the same over the track circuit series. It's still high yes, but it's an incredible course with matching risks. And, TBF, that's only a little over one a year (and the Manx has more novices, so it's more likely there will be crashes) - very sad, but a risk everyone knows and is willing to take

Proper tracks have a series of actual bends, IoM is mostly very fast sweepers where the guys are flat out.

ZRX61 wrote: Sat Jun 15, 2024 3:01 pm

Noggin wrote: Sat Jun 15, 2024 11:19 am Now get a statistician to work out how many that is per km raced - and do the same over the track circuit series. It's still high yes, but it's an incredible course with matching risks. And, TBF, that's only a little over one a year (and the Manx has more novices, so it's more likely there will be crashes) - very sad, but a risk everyone knows and is willing to take

Proper tracks have a series are actual bends, IoM is mostly very fast sweepers where the guys are flat out.

I'd dispute that. Yes, there are a lot of very high speed sections - there has to be otherwise the lap speeds wouldn't be north of 130mph. But there are a lot of slow and medium speed corners, as there would be on any public road.

ZRX61 wrote: Sat Jun 15, 2024 3:01 pm

Noggin wrote: Sat Jun 15, 2024 11:19 am Now get a statistician to work out how many that is per km raced - and do the same over the track circuit series. It's still high yes, but it's an incredible course with matching risks. And, TBF, that's only a little over one a year (and the Manx has more novices, so it's more likely there will be crashes) - very sad, but a risk everyone knows and is willing to take

Proper tracks have a series of actual bends, IoM is mostly very fast sweepers where the guys are flat out.

Davie Todd got his elbow down at the Bungalow. No not really a straight

ZRX61 wrote: Sat Jun 15, 2024 3:01 pm

Noggin wrote: Sat Jun 15, 2024 11:19 am Now get a statistician to work out how many that is per km raced - and do the same over the track circuit series. It's still high yes, but it's an incredible course with matching risks. And, TBF, that's only a little over one a year (and the Manx has more novices, so it's more likely there will be crashes) - very sad, but a risk everyone knows and is willing to take

Proper tracks have a series of actual bends, IoM is mostly very fast sweepers where the guys are flat out.

Seriously? Have you ever ridden the course? Not being funny, but the only flat out is through relatively straight bits in villages and a bit of the mountain. The rest is corners of varying severity, including a handful of hairpins/90 degree turns. Even the almost flat out series of bends has some seriously interesting bits to deal with either end, so rarely flat out for long!!! Honestly, how you can possibly think it's "Mostly very fast sweepers" is incredible!!

And the few fast sweepers tend to have stone walls instead of run-off areas. Just to concentrate the mind.

Back to the 'facts'...

Gerhard Barkhorn was the 2nd highest 'scoring' ace of WW2, with 301 Allied aircraft shot down.

In 1955, Gerhard Barkhorn was asked to join the new West German Air Force, the Bundesluftwaffe. He was sworn in as a major on June 19, 1956. Interestingly, his role required he work closely with the air forces he’d fought against during WWII. He was trained on jet aircraft by members of the RAF, and also headed the group of German pilots who were part of the Tripartite Kestrel Evaluation Squadron in the United Kingdom.

While flying a Hawker Siddeley Kestrel (the precursor of the Harrier) on October 13, 1965, Barkhorn crash-landed at RAF West Raynham. He was rescued from the jet and jokingly claimed it as the 302nd Allied aircraft he’d taken out.

Noggin wrote: Sat Jun 15, 2024 4:27 pm

ZRX61 wrote: Sat Jun 15, 2024 3:01 pm

Noggin wrote: Sat Jun 15, 2024 11:19 am Now get a statistician to work out how many that is per km raced - and do the same over the track circuit series. It's still high yes, but it's an incredible course with matching risks. And, TBF, that's only a little over one a year (and the Manx has more novices, so it's more likely there will be crashes) - very sad, but a risk everyone knows and is willing to take

Proper tracks have a series of actual bends, IoM is mostly very fast sweepers where the guys are flat out.

Seriously? Have you ever ridden the course? Not being funny, but the only flat out is through relatively straight bits in villages and a bit of the mountain. The rest is corners of varying severity, including a handful of hairpins/90 degree turns. Even the almost flat out series of bends has some seriously interesting bits to deal with either end, so rarely flat out for long!!! Honestly, how you can possibly think it's "Mostly very fast sweepers" is incredible!!

Having difficulty with *mostly*?.. there are more flat out bits than nadgery.

It's not so much an interesting fact as an interesting way of seeing the difference in something.People lob the term £billions around like they're just a tad more than a million.

1 million seconds is about 13 days
1 billion seconds is about 32 years

(That's American billions not proper old fashioned ones ).