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Car? Naah.
Van? Hell yes but with the caveat of I need it to either have a good range, or being able to power it up faster.
People with off st parking have a huge advantage in this.

On about depreciation though, IMO internal combustion engine cars will drop off a cliff before long as far as depreciation is concerned.

moth wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 4:52 pm

Mr. Dazzle wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 4:37 pm Seriously though, OFGEM are already thinking about it...because of course they are.

Implications of transition to electric vehciles

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source= ... XV2ybmHS5z

I know OFGEM are...because of course I would

Have you actually read that document?
')

Yeah I have.

My point is not that OFGEM or anyone else already have the solutions. It's that whenever these subjects are discussed people chime in with all kinds of concerns as if no-one has thought of it yet, when in fact "they" have been thinking about it and doing stuff for years already.

There are inevitably gonna be problems, of course there are, but I don't think any of them are unsolvable. Like I said, you got / will have millions of people who want to buy something. How long is that gonna persist unaddressed in our capital world?

Mr. Dazzle wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 4:37 pm Seriously though, OFGEM are already thinking about it...because of course they are.

Implications of transition to electric vehciles

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source= ... XV2ybmHS5z

There are plenty of people considering implications and changes needed, have been for years - but it's one of the usual objections.

One likely implementation will be that the vehicles and chargers 'talk' to manage demand. If you arrive home and won’t be needing the vehicle until 12 hours later, then slow charging can be anytime in that slot. Get an unwanted call in the middle of the night, over-ride and do a fast charge.

Also, vehicles connected to the network xmcould become part of it, storing power then redistributing it.


Yes, I would buy one, albeit my current car is hardly used now I WfH. Filly uses hers most days, but typically no more than 50 mile around trips.

I'm not someone who drives for hours without a break, so T&P, combined with charging, stops would be fine for me on rare longer trips.

We get free leccy between 5:00 PM and 7:00 PM so would be cheap to run. Range isn't an issue here

And they're putting up more and more wind turbines so extra leccy won't be a problem

I've done "the maths" on EV ownership for me and like for like there's not much in it. When I say "like for like" though I'm including things like nice interior, decent stereo etc. I have a 3 series at the mo so a model 3 is extremely like for like

I've also thought about all the long journeys I might do, all my family are within 125 miles so I could theoretically drive there and back on a single charge. Longer journeys might theoretically be a problem, but I honestly can't remember the last time I drove 300 miles anywhere at all.

I have off street parking with power so that's OK. There's also loads of public charging around here and all the distant friends/rellies I visit are up/down the M1, which has loads of charging.

The only reason I haven't already got a Model 3 is that I'm too tight to spend the money on a car I don't actually need.

Mr. Dazzle wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 5:00 pm

moth wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 4:52 pm

Mr. Dazzle wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 4:37 pm Seriously though, OFGEM are already thinking about it...because of course they are.

Implications of transition to electric vehciles

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source= ... XV2ybmHS5z

I know OFGEM are...because of course I would

Have you actually read that document?
')

Yeah I have.

My point is not that OFGEM or anyone else already have the solutions. It's that whenever these subjects are discussed people chime in with all kinds of concerns as if no-one has thought of it yet, when in fact "they" have been thinking about it and doing stuff for years already.

There are inevitably gonna be problems, of course there are, but I don't think any of them are unsolvable. Like I said, you got / will have millions of people who want to buy something. How long is that gonna persist unaddressed in our capital world?

'We' have been thinking about it for years, and I agree that none of the problems are unsolvable but the cost won't only be monetary. One of the big issues is PR.

I wouldn't put too much faith in the lamp post charging idea either as it goes.

Nobody has mentioned servicing costs yet. No oil and filters and engine problems. I expect a leccy motor to be cheaper to run ?

moth wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 5:17 pm I wouldn't put too much faith in the lamp post charging idea either as it goes.

Realistically, there will be some places where it's going to be unrealistic to have charging for every resident. But I suppose it's another way that 'motoring' will change over the next few decades, that unrealistic options will be the only ones available. ie Like it or lump it.

Look at the way internet access has changed in 20 years: nothing, dial up, broadband, cabled, wifi, 5G. A new housing estate built near here in 2001 boasted cabled internet to all rooms via a distribution box. Didn't take long for that USP to be almost irrelevant.

The 'lamp post' idea is one option, obviously it would require some linking of utilities. Technology exists to tunnel from inside a house, under the public pavement, that then creates 'my space' issues, but not insurmountable as many people have to buy residents' permits. When roads are built or resurfaced, inductive charging could be installed. etc.

Yorick wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 5:24 pm Nobody has mentioned servicing costs yet. No oil and filters and engine problems. I expect a leccy motor to be cheaper to run ?

I did in the bike thread. But only as a guess. I presume they need some sort of regular inspection, otherwise dealers will be losing out.

I'm not a car fan,to me they are a utility item/shopping trolley. Based on this criteria I have no objections to owning a battery bus,provided the infrastructure is there and they are no more expensive,or high maintenance than a petrol vehicle. ie not yet.

I know it's a separate question,but I really don't welcome the arrival of battery bikes. Hopefully my biking days will be done before ICE become extinct.

Horse wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 5:39 pm

Yorick wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 5:24 pm Nobody has mentioned servicing costs yet. No oil and filters and engine problems. I expect a leccy motor to be cheaper to run ?

I did in the bike thread. But only as a guess. I presume they need some sort of regular inspection, otherwise dealers will be losing out.

Ours don't. Fit and forget.

Everything "servicing" would be on board diagnostics. But realistically with so few moving parts (two) there's no real preventative maintenance requirement.

Until pure electric cars* are available with one of the new battery technologies having a genuine worst case range of at least 400 miles between charges, no.

* Would be replacing a Mitsubishi L200 Dual Cab pickup truck with an electric Dual Cab pickup truck.



Yes please.

Nope. I'll be sticking with petrol for as long as reasonably viable.

irie wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 5:59 pm Until pure electric cars* are available with one of the new battery technologies having a genuine worst case range of at least 400 miles between charges, no.

Get your order in now! Broken windows optional.

https://www.tesla.com/en_gb/cybertruck

Mr. Dazzle wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 6:17 pm

irie wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 5:59 pm Until pure electric cars* are available with one of the new battery technologies having a genuine worst case range of at least 400 miles between charges, no.

Get your order in now! Broken windows optional.

https://www.tesla.com/en_gb/cybertruck

Ugly as.

It is the only pick up truck I've ever wanted.

That's not saying much

Mr. Dazzle wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 6:41 pm It is the only pick up truck I've ever wanted.

That's not saying much

When I was last in Toronto, my cousin had a brand new Ford Harley Davidson. 450 gee gees. I quite liked that

It's coming as Mr Dazzle says. Choice will no longer be an option. Barriers will be overcome using the 'polluter pays principle'.

I’ll have one soon but that’s no surprise being in the EV business. Once range is 500 miles that’ll only be a 40min charge once a fortnight for a large majority of people. Of course you have those that need an 8 seater that toes a trailer and needs to be deployed at a minutes notice for a 600 mile trip. It’s quite surprising how many of these people there are as they appear on every post about EV’s. Well it’s fine as they’ll be taxed out the market as fossil fuels become rarer.
So with the average person only needing a big charge once a fortnight home charging becomes less of the issue. With vehicle to grid on the way and each car becoming part of the national storage that’s another issue gone. The DNO’s will play game and well all pay for it.
Anyone thinking EV cars are cheaper needs to think again as that’s not the reason for them, they are used to lower pollution in built up areas and concentrate the pollution caused from their manufacture and generation of electricity into one easier to control place.
Simple fact is they are happening and you either join in or get taxed off the road, of course I’m yet to see a solution for those who would normally run a £2k car and can’t have finance to buy an EV.

Mr. Dazzle wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 5:50 pm

Horse wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 5:39 pm

Yorick wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 5:24 pm Nobody has mentioned servicing costs yet. No oil and filters and engine problems. I expect a leccy motor to be cheaper to run ?

I did in the bike thread. But only as a guess. I presume they need some sort of regular inspection, otherwise dealers will be losing out.

Ours don't. Fit and forget.

Everything "servicing" would be on board diagnostics. But realistically with so few moving parts (two) there's no real preventative maintenance requirement.

Still got transmission, brakes, bearings etc