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Ya can drag your elbow on Cornish lanes while upright on the straightish bits...Yorick wrote: Sat Jun 15, 2024 3:34 pm Davie Todd got his elbow down at the Bungalow. No not really a straight
mangocrazy wrote: Sat Jun 15, 2024 3:08 pmI'd dispute that. Yes, there are a lot of very high speed sections - there has to be otherwise the lap speeds wouldn't be north of 130mph. But there are a lot of slow and medium speed corners, as there would be on any public road.ZRX61 wrote: Sat Jun 15, 2024 3:01 pmProper tracks have a series are actual bends, IoM is mostly very fast sweepers where the guys are flat out.Noggin wrote: Sat Jun 15, 2024 11:19 am Now get a statistician to work out how many that is per km raced - and do the same over the track circuit series. It's still high yes, but it's an incredible course with matching risks. And, TBF, that's only a little over one a year (and the Manx has more novices, so it's more likely there will be crashes) - very sad, but a risk everyone knows and is willing to take
Pah! That's the M1 of Cornish lanes. It only has a few wisps of grass.
Quarter Bridge, Braddan Bridge, Union Mills, Ballacraine, Ballaugh, Sulby Bridge, Ginger Hall, Parliament Square, Ramsey Hairpin, Waterworks, Gooseneck, Creg ny Baa, Signpost, Bedstead, The Nook, Governer's Bridge, Governer's Dip.Dodgy69 wrote: Sat Jun 15, 2024 10:20 pmmangocrazy wrote: Sat Jun 15, 2024 3:08 pmI'd dispute that. Yes, there are a lot of very high speed sections - there has to be otherwise the lap speeds wouldn't be north of 130mph. But there are a lot of slow and medium speed corners, as there would be on any public road.ZRX61 wrote: Sat Jun 15, 2024 3:01 pm
Proper tracks have a series are actual bends, IoM is mostly very fast sweepers where the guys are flat out.
I ain't seen many SLOW bit's.
So what's the total mileage if you add all those bits together? Some of them are not even 100 yards.mangocrazy wrote: Sat Jun 15, 2024 11:13 pm Quarter Bridge, Braddan Bridge, Union Mills, Ballacraine, Ballaugh, Sulby Bridge, Ginger Hall, Parliament Square, Ramsey Hairpin, Waterworks, Gooseneck, Creg ny Baa, Signpost, Bedstead, The Nook, Governer's Bridge, Governer's Dip.
That enough?
Not really catching your drift, old bean. I was simply replying to Dodgy69's remark. I'm not trying to make out that the TT is all slow wiggly stuff because it demonstrably isn't. But there are slow corners interspersed with medium and fast corners. And straights. Lots of them. Which is why the lap record is well over 130mph.ZRX61 wrote: Sun Jun 16, 2024 12:00 amSo what's the total mileage if you add all those bits together? Some of them are not even 100 yards.mangocrazy wrote: Sat Jun 15, 2024 11:13 pm Quarter Bridge, Braddan Bridge, Union Mills, Ballacraine, Ballaugh, Sulby Bridge, Ginger Hall, Parliament Square, Ramsey Hairpin, Waterworks, Gooseneck, Creg ny Baa, Signpost, Bedstead, The Nook, Governer's Bridge, Governer's Dip.
That enough?
I was just asking what all those bits added together were, that's all.mangocrazy wrote: Sun Jun 16, 2024 12:17 am Not really catching your drift, old bean. I was simply replying to Dodgy69's remark. I'm not trying to make out that the TT is all slow wiggly stuff because it demonstrably isn't. But there are slow corners interspersed with medium and fast corners. And straights. Lots of them. Which is why the lap record is well over 130mph.
Having difficulty with *have you ever ridden the course*? . . .ZRX61 wrote: Sat Jun 15, 2024 8:38 pmHaving difficulty with *mostly*?.. there are more flat out bits than nadgery.Noggin wrote: Sat Jun 15, 2024 4:27 pmSeriously? Have you ever ridden the course? Not being funny, but the only flat out is through relatively straight bits in villages and a bit of the mountain. The rest is corners of varying severity, including a handful of hairpins/90 degree turns. Even the almost flat out series of bends has some seriously interesting bits to deal with either end, so rarely flat out for long!!! Honestly, how you can possibly think it's "Mostly very fast sweepers" is incredible!!ZRX61 wrote: Sat Jun 15, 2024 3:01 pm
Proper tracks have a series of actual bends, IoM is mostly very fast sweepers where the guys are flat out.
To an experienced rider like me, it sounds like he bottled it tbh...Yorick wrote: Sun Jun 16, 2024 11:00 am Just had Google. McGuiness had the throttle wide open for 30% of the lap.
So that's 70% braking or going round bends.
I've only ever ridden the course at legal speeds (ok, the mountain and in between the villages didn't have a limit but I was on a blackbird and not very experienced!) and there is no way on this earth that there are loads of fast sweepers on that course. There are twisty (to us) sections that they make as straight as possible and ride faster than we could imagine! (Of course, it helps that they don't have to stick to one side of the white lineYorick wrote: Sun Jun 16, 2024 11:00 am Just had Google. McGuiness had the throttle wide open for 30% of the lap.
So that's 70% braking or going round bends.
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I've driven a road car around most of the Grand Tour 'Eboladrome', at up to 30mphNoggin wrote: Sun Jun 16, 2024 11:14 am I've only ever ridden the course at legal speeds ...
It's blooming awesome to ride the course as a 'normal' (relatively) person and then watch the freaking amazing loons go out and be heroes
Some might be surprised how fast they are actually going on some of those sections mentioned. Maybe more medium's.mangocrazy wrote: Sat Jun 15, 2024 11:13 pmQuarter Bridge, Braddan Bridge, Union Mills, Ballacraine, Ballaugh, Sulby Bridge, Ginger Hall, Parliament Square, Ramsey Hairpin, Waterworks, Gooseneck, Creg ny Baa, Signpost, Bedstead, The Nook, Governer's Bridge, Governer's Dip.Dodgy69 wrote: Sat Jun 15, 2024 10:20 pmmangocrazy wrote: Sat Jun 15, 2024 3:08 pm
I'd dispute that. Yes, there are a lot of very high speed sections - there has to be otherwise the lap speeds wouldn't be north of 130mph. But there are a lot of slow and medium speed corners, as there would be on any public road.
I ain't seen many SLOW bit's.
That enough?
Slow is a relative term. Top racers go through the above sections way faster than you or I would dream of, but compared to the speeds they hit elsewhere on the course they are all slow, and many require heavy braking from high speeds on the approach. All of those corners are at least 90 degree/right angle turns (or very close) and 3 of them are hairpins and sub 30mph corners.Dodgy69 wrote: Sun Jun 16, 2024 4:24 pmSome might be surprised how fast they are actually going on some of those sections mentioned. Maybe more medium's.mangocrazy wrote: Sat Jun 15, 2024 11:13 pmQuarter Bridge, Braddan Bridge, Union Mills, Ballacraine, Ballaugh, Sulby Bridge, Ginger Hall, Parliament Square, Ramsey Hairpin, Waterworks, Gooseneck, Creg ny Baa, Signpost, Bedstead, The Nook, Governer's Bridge, Governer's Dip.
That enough?
