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JamJar wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 10:46 am
Does it matter when the car manufacturers warranty the batteries for 8 years?

I guess not but I didn't know they warranty batteries for 8 years. Is there a lot of small print on the warranty, like 'Repeated fast charging invalidates this Warranty!' ?

Kneerly Down wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 10:57 am

Cousin Jack wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 9:21 amAs I understand it they have fans (which do make some noise) and need planning permission

From 1 December 2011 the installation of an air source heat pump on domestic premises is considered to be permitted development, not needing an application for planning permission, provided ALL the limits and conditions listed below are met.

You can do many more things without planning if they're 'green' now.
https://www.planningportal.co.uk/info/2 ... c%20metres

That's me buggered

Listed building [x]
Conservation Area [x]
World Heritage Site [x]

Yambo wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 11:25 am

JamJar wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 10:46 am
Does it matter when the car manufacturers warranty the batteries for 8 years?

I guess not but I didn't know they warranty batteries for 8 years. Is there a lot of small print on the warranty, like 'Repeated fast charging invalidates this Warranty!' ?

Tesla UK:

The Battery and Drive Unit in your vehicle are covered for a period of: Model S and Model X – 8 years or 150,000 miles, whichever comes first, with minimum 70% retention of Battery capacity over the warranty period.

Do any ic engined car manufacturers cover the engine under warranty for anything similar?

How it works for the used market, though ...

I think lots of the EV manufacturers do 'buy back' schemes on the battery, they take 'em out of the car and put them into UPS and grid storage systems etc.

I've not looked in too much detail TBH, but I know quite a few firms have novel financing for the car and battery seperately.

At least in terms of 'range anxiety' this could be the game changer:

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... ging-times

The Spin Doctor wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 12:25 pm At least in terms of 'range anxiety' this could be the game changer:

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... ging-times

Are we going to get to the stage we were at a few years ago with phone chargers?

Will we need to search around charging points till we find one that fits 'our' car?

So far we have 'standard' and Tesla (I assume, honestly I know nothing about electric cars). Will we now have a third option?

Scotsrich wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 12:41 pm
Are we going to get to the stage we were at a few years ago with phone chargers?

Will we need to search around charging points till we find one that fits 'our' car?

So far we have 'standard' and Tesla (I assume, honestly I know nothing about electric cars). Will we now have a third option?

The new electric 'fuel' station in Essex has several of each type of charger.

AFAIK charger standards are enforced by law to prevent that exact problem. They also mandate that new charging points have to offer 'at point' payment rather than making you sign up for an account.

Yambo wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 11:25 am I guess not but I didn't know they warranty batteries for 8 years. Is there a lot of small print on the warranty, like 'Repeated fast charging invalidates this Warranty!' ?

I've been seriously looking at EV's and all the manufacturers have similar warranties and I don't think they are sneaky like that. Sadly my tastes for EV's are a bit rich as I am really liking the Porsche Taycan Turbo S

Horse wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 11:32 am Tesla UK:

The Battery and Drive Unit in your vehicle are covered for a period of: Model S and Model X – 8 years or 150,000 miles, whichever comes first, with minimum 70% retention of Battery capacity over the warranty period.

Do any ic engined car manufacturers cover the engine under warranty for anything similar?

How it works for the used market, though ...

Although claiming on the warranty may not always be straightforward...

https://tesla-info.com/blog/issues.php

The Spin Doctor wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 12:25 pm At least in terms of 'range anxiety' this could be the game changer:

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... ging-times

I posted about this earlier today in this thread.

http://revtothelimit.co.uk/viewtopic.php?p=47495#p47495

I'm not sure I get the range anxiety arguement anyway, most of the cars I have had a look at have a range in excess of 200 miles and I seldom do trips (even before the event) that are more than 200 miles

JamJar wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 1:49 pm I'm not sure I get the range anxiety arguement anyway, most of the cars I have had a look at have a range in excess of 200 miles and I seldom do trips (even before the event) that are more than 200 miles

There was a well-documented story of a couple trying to get their new Porsche home from Bournemouth to Kent...
https://www.theguardian.com/money/2020/ ... ng-network

irie wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 1:39 pm

The Spin Doctor wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 12:25 pm At least in terms of 'range anxiety' this could be the game changer:

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... ging-times

I posted about this earlier today in this thread.

http://revtothelimit.co.uk/viewtopic.php?p=47495#p47495

I posted the Guardian link at 8.47, in this thread

as well as leaving your car anywhere but home with its £1600 charging cable easily steal-able...

Wreckless Rat wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 2:44 pm as well as leaving your car anywhere but home with its £1600 charging cable easily steal-able...

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/feat ... rter-theft

According to figures obtained from police forces in England and Wales by BBC Radio 5 Live, 13,000 catalytic converters were recorded stolen in 2019, compared with 2000 the year before. However, anecdotal evidence suggests that in reality, these numbers are far higher.

Horse wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 2:47 pm

Wreckless Rat wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 2:44 pm as well as leaving your car anywhere but home with its £1600 charging cable easily steal-able...

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/feat ... rter-theft

According to figures obtained from police forces in England and Wales by BBC Radio 5 Live, 13,000 catalytic converters were recorded stolen in 2019, compared with 2000 the year before. However, anecdotal evidence suggests that in reality, these numbers are far higher.

If someone nicks your CAT, you can still get home, even if its a touch noisy...

The Spin Doctor wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 2:40 pm

JamJar wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 1:49 pm I'm not sure I get the range anxiety arguement anyway, most of the cars I have had a look at have a range in excess of 200 miles and I seldom do trips (even before the event) that are more than 200 miles

There was a well-documented story of a couple trying to get their new Porsche home from Bournemouth to Kent...
https://www.theguardian.com/money/2020/ ... ng-network

My first reaction to that (same as the first time I read it last year) is twofold:

1) you can't trust the general public with nice things,

2) you can't trust corporates to supply a standardised service, and even if you could: see 1.

My battery knowledge is a bit out of date now but it was the case a few years back that fast charging and battery density were pretty much inversely proportional. So a battery that charges fast won't hold as much power for a given size.
It is right to treat these marketing claims with sceptisism but I did see significant changes when I was more interested, so I do believe improvements are being made but I always look for the hidden catch.

I've had an idea that could resolve the "occasionally I want a longer range" problem, you could hire a small trailer with an extra battery in it, thereby giving you increased range.