I despair for current/future generations

[gremlin]

And as has been said by others, unisex changing rooms are quite common, and don't concern me in the slightest.

Same.

Unlike the woman I tried to share one with the other day. Honestly, you'd think she'd never seen a fat, middle-aged bloke struggle into a pair of Speedos before...

Maybe using the expression, 'Room for a little one?!' was slightly disconcerting.

[Sunny]

I suspect that trans women would be more at risk using men's facilities than women would be from them using women's facilities..

So, people who are born male, and have transitioned to female, are using the ladies’ facilities, to avoid male aggression.

I think there’s an irony there.

FTFY.

[Sunny]

I also find it ironic that the posters on this thread with anti-pronoun/anti-trans views/trans-female concerns are male, whereas I'm female and totally fine with it all.

[JackyJoll]

I also find it ironic that the posters on this thread with anti-pronoun/anti-trans views/trans-female concerns are male, whereas I'm female and totally fine with it all.

Are there females who are not fine with it all?

[Mussels]

I also find it ironic that the posters on this thread with anti-pronoun/anti-trans views/trans-female concerns are male, whereas I'm female and totally fine with it all.

Are there females who are not fine with it all?

Feminists, lesbians and anyone who has met this fine lady.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isla_Bryson_case

[Saga Lout]

I also find it ironic that the posters on this thread with anti-pronoun/anti-trans views/trans-female concerns are male, whereas I'm female and totally fine with it all.

Are there females who are not fine with it all?

Yes. Some quite famous. J. K. Rowling, Sharron Davies and Riley Gaines are the first names that come to mind.

[Sunny]

I also find it ironic that the posters on this thread with anti-pronoun/anti-trans views/trans-female concerns are male, whereas I'm female and totally fine with it all.

Are there females who are not fine with it all?

Of course there are. A lot of them do seem to be from the 'God thinks it's bad' brigade, and lesser educated folk.

I also find it ironic that the posters on this thread with anti-pronoun/anti-trans views/trans-female concerns are male, whereas I'm female and totally fine with it all.

Are there females who are not fine with it all?

Feminists, lesbians and anyone who has met this fine lady.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isla_Bryson_case

I think you'll find the first two categories have plenty of folk on the 'fine with it' side.
And the third category is a shitty exception. You can always find exceptions, it doesn't mean the overarching principle is wrong.

I also find it ironic that the posters on this thread with anti-pronoun/anti-trans views/trans-female concerns are male, whereas I'm female and totally fine with it all.

Are there females who are not fine with it all?

Yes. Some quite famous. J. K. Rowling, Sharron Davies and Riley Gaines are the first names that come to mind.

Some more exceptions there too.

Not a huge proportion of the female population though, is it? Again, I observe most of the issue to be taken by older men.

Anyway. This shit is why I rarely stray into the current affairs section. I'll leave you to it.

"Opinion is really the lowest form of human knowledge. It requires no accountability, no understanding."

[Cousin Jack]

That's all very well but it becomes my business when they insist I have to believe their delusion.

The only thing you are being asked to do is treat them with a modicum of respect.

Is that really too difficult?

The number of times I've encountered the 'preferred pronoun' situation? Nil, zip, nada, a big fat zero*. A lot of people that are getting 'proxy agitated' about what they read rather than anything that actually affects them.

* Possible exception - A coffee shop in Guildford has a blackboard with mini-profiles of the staff - favourite drink, music, unusual skill etc - they're all young, exotic types with some quite startling hair colours, nose piercings etc (Chichester one appears to be staffed accordingly but no board iirc).

On the board it also has preferred pronoun. So far they've all been 'he' and 'she' exactly as you'd expect from a brief observation.

I am a trustee for a Multi Acadamy Trust with 9000 pupils. It doesnt present as an issue, I am sure if I looked hard enough I could find someone transitioning, but they dont seem to have a problem and the vast majority of the kids just accept that {insert prefered name} is a bit different. That's all it takes, live and let live. No hurt, no foul.

[ZRX61]

I also find it ironic that the posters on this thread with anti-pronoun/anti-trans views/trans-female concerns are male, whereas I'm female and totally fine with it all.

Are there females who are not fine with it all?

Feminists, lesbians and anyone who has met this fine lady.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isla_Bryson_case

Gay's absolutely fucking hate trans people for some reason.

[JackyJoll]

Are there females who are not fine with it all?

Feminists, lesbians and anyone who has met this fine lady.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isla_Bryson_case

Gay's absolutely fucking hate trans people for some reason.

Lesbian bars and lesbian online dating are a thing of the past, because of men in frocks, so I’m told. Quite happy to hear differently though.

[ZRX61]

Lesbian bars and lesbian online dating are a thing of the past, because of men in frocks, so I’m told. Quite happy to hear differently though.

Our local gay bar, The BackDoor, was firebombed many years ago & reopened as a rock & roll bar. Went to see a friends band play there one night & clientele looked like regular bar customers... apart from the one cowboy in mascara who appeared to be wondering WTF was going on.

Cops arrested the guy who lit it on fire & got a search warrant for his house, looked in the garage for arson materials.... but found it packed to the roof with lathes, mills, drill presses etc.
Turns out the guys dad was a comptroller at Edwards AFB & had been stealing machine tools for years, which he'd sign off as scrap. Then a mate would pick them up from the Base & drop them at his house.. where they were sold from.
Father & son both went to jail.... I bet Christmas was a bit awkward...

[JackyJoll]

[Cops arrested the guy who lit it on fire & got a search warrant for his house, looked in the garage for arson materials.... but found it packed to the roof with lathes, mills, drill presses etc..

Just shows- don’t mix up your crimes.

[Saga Lout]

I also find it ironic that the posters on this thread with anti-pronoun/anti-trans views/trans-female concerns are male, whereas I'm female and totally fine with it all.

Are there females who are not fine with it all?

Of course there are. A lot of them do seem to be from the 'God thinks it's bad' brigade, and lesser educated folk.

Are there females who are not fine with it all?

Feminists, lesbians and anyone who has met this fine lady.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isla_Bryson_case

I think you'll find the first two categories have plenty of folk on the 'fine with it' side.
And the third category is a shitty exception. You can always find exceptions, it doesn't mean the overarching principle is wrong.

Are there females who are not fine with it all?

Yes. Some quite famous. J. K. Rowling, Sharron Davies and Riley Gaines are the first names that come to mind.

Some more exceptions there too.

Not a huge proportion of the female population though, is it? Again, I observe most of the issue to be taken by older men.


Anyway. This shit is why I rarely stray into the current affairs section. I'll leave you to it.

"Opinion is really the lowest form of human knowledge. It requires no accountability, no understanding."

[
Well, that's an opinion. Apparently, not even your own opinion, just one you've lifted from somebody else.

I get the impression that any opinion that differs from your own must be held by people "from the 'God thinks it's bad' brigade, and lesser educated folk". How bloody arrogant.

[demographic]

Its the way of the world that whiney old cunts piss and moan about "The youth of today" and then the youth of today do it about the next younger generation when they're whiney old cunts as well.
Then they blame it on <Insert pet hate> with fuckall evidence that its got anything to do with it.
This next section is shamelessly copied from a member on another forum


"Do we coddle older people too much?

They can’t be bothered to learn the metric system in place since 1971 that uses an easy base ten system of numbers.

Too lazy to learn to use computers and smart phones to access services that have been in place for at least 20 years.

Moan because they can’t go to a building and spend 45 minutes having a form filled out for them because they can’t read basic instructions?

Poor loves can’t remember a few 4 digit pin numbers but seem to remember the phone number they had for every house they owned or how much a pint of beer cost in 1976!

Get confused scanning the shopping when all they have to do is pass a barcode over a glass screen?

Fail to grasp that things have changed and society is now shaped around the next generation of children and adults."

[JackyJoll]

Its the way of the world that whiney old cunts…

There’s a converse way of the world, that people who are about to experience aging, write stuff like that.

[demographic]

Yet to experience ageing?
Hardly.
More like slightly less embittered by the experience.

[JackyJoll]

Anyone who really can’t or doesn’t use metric units, isn’t doing much measuring. It’s more likely they’re pretending, just to argue with you.

Even if you’re fixing steam engines, you’ll be using components and fasteners made from metric stock.

[JackyJoll]

Yet to experience ageing?
Hardly.
More like slightly less embittered by the experience.

If you don’t want people to think you’re a whiny old cunt, post fewer cunty old whines.

[Scotsrich]

Worth a look for a theory if nothing else.

[Saga Lout]

Its the way of the world that whiney old cunts piss and moan about "The youth of today" and then the youth of today do it about the next younger generation when they're whiney old cunts as well.
Then they blame it on <Insert pet hate> with fuckall evidence that its got anything to do with it.
This next section is shamelessly copied from a member on another forum


"Do we coddle older people too much?

OK, I'll bite.( I'm 76 so I think I'm probably a member of the target group.)

They can’t be bothered to learn the metric system in place since 1971 that uses an easy base ten system of numbers.

I learnt the metric system at school. I'll happily use whichever I fond most convenient.
Distance: miles,
Length, width etc: Whatever seems sensible. If it measures exactly a foot I'm not going to say it's 30.5(ish) cm,if it's a meter I'm not going to say it's 3ft 9.5(ish)in
Weight: kg (the scales can measure metric and Imperial but metric's the default so that's what I use.)
Liquid measure: Pints, fluid ounces, litres, ml

Too lazy to learn to use computers and smart phones to access services that have been in place for at least 20 years.

No. Been using computers almost 50 years.

Moan because they can’t go to a building and spend 45 minutes having a form filled out for them because they can’t read basic instructions?

No. Never done that.

Poor loves can’t remember a few 4 digit pin numbers but seem to remember the phone number they had for every house they owned or how much a pint of beer cost in 1976!

No for the phone numbers but fair point about the beer (about 10p at the working men's club).

Get confused scanning the shopping when all they have to do is pass a barcode over a glass screen?

No

Fail to grasp that things have changed and society is now shaped around the next generation of children and adults."

That may be true. But we're still here. And old people will be here for a long time. (Not the same old people, but as some drop out of the system they'll be replaced by new old people.