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Dodgy knees wrote: Thu May 13, 2021 7:02 am...

Current jobs ok, but this middle layer of female management real is difficult to get on with. Uneducated folk with plenty of mouth, blame everybody other than themselves for any problems. Horrible f--kers. Senior management are fine.

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Senior management is responsible for putting middle management in place. Why are you letting them off the hook?

Saga Lout wrote: Sat May 15, 2021 9:50 am Current jobs ok, but this middle layer of female management real is difficult to get on with. Uneducated folk with plenty of mouth, blame everybody other than themselves for any problems. Horrible f--kers.

Do a Diet Coke break. It’s the only language these tight-arsed crones understand.

Potter wrote: Sat May 15, 2021 9:15 am

Asian Boss wrote: Sat May 15, 2021 12:37 am I'm not bothered about the money past a certain point. It is important to me to be able to lord it over people and be able to threaten to have them thrown out of their cottages or that they'll never work in this industry again. Also making out I'm more big-time than I really am and talking all posh and clever in a Channel Four, intellectual left wing, chattering classes voice. That's where real happiness lies.

I think you'd need a time machine or to work in television to be able to do that.

I think there's blacklisting these days but it doesn't have the same ring to it.

JackyJoll wrote: Sat May 15, 2021 10:21 am

Saga Lout wrote: Sat May 15, 2021 9:50 am Current jobs ok, but this middle layer of female management real is difficult to get on with. Uneducated folk with plenty of mouth, blame everybody other than themselves for any problems. Horrible f--kers.

Do a Diet Coke break. It’s the only language these tight-arsed crones understand.

You deleted the wrong quote tag. Dodgy knees wrote that bit, not me.

Saga Lout wrote: Sat May 15, 2021 10:43 am

JackyJoll wrote: Sat May 15, 2021 10:21 am

Saga Lout wrote: Sat May 15, 2021 9:50 am Current jobs ok, but this middle layer of female management real is difficult to get on with. Uneducated folk with plenty of mouth, blame everybody other than themselves for any problems. Horrible f--kers.

Do a Diet Coke break. It’s the only language these tight-arsed crones understand.

You deleted the wrong quote tag. Dodgy knees wrote that bit, not me.

You were thinking it though.

I earn a hell of a lot more than I did 15 years ago but I'm still short of money, although that's down to my somewhat remarkable financial ineptitude! But this newish job is literally a paying hobby and I love the new tricks etc I seem to learn every so often.

I'd certainly say there's is no way i'd do a job I didn't like for twice the money or more. Work is such a big part of your life I just could not spend it doing something I didn't like. But, as I've said before, I'm not interested in the more expensive side of life. I know my station!

Taipan wrote: Sat May 15, 2021 1:53 pm I earn a hell of a lot more than I did 15 years ago but I'm still short of money, although that's down to my somewhat remarkable financial ineptitude! But this newish job is literally a paying hobby and I love the new tricks etc I seem to learn every so often.

I'd certainly say there's is no way i'd do a job I didn't like for twice the money or more. Work is such a big part of your life I just could not spend it doing something I didn't like. But, as I've said before, I'm not interested in the more expensive side of life. I know my station!

I could have earned proper big money working in London, but just hate the place.
I had a nice gentle 8 mile drive through countryside instead.

Golden handcuffs. I know quite a few people that have ended up in senior management with a big salary and hate what the job but the salary affords them a big house, holidays, cars, bikes etc. Just biding their time and building their savings while they wait for an early retirement offer. A lot of them being trades of some sort that ended in management. IT seems a big one for this (those that I know), engineers and programmers that are great managers that would prefer to be given a task or project to solve and not have to worry about what other employees are doing.

I'd imagine that most people on this forum, on winning the lottery, would get bored after a while of not working and set up a little business or volunteer or something as a distraction. IMO working makes you appreciate time off.

dayglo jim wrote: Sat May 15, 2021 2:07 pm Golden handcuffs. I know quite a few people that have ended up in senior management with a big salary and hate what the job but the salary affords them a big house, holidays, cars, bikes etc. Just biding their time and building their savings while they wait for an early retirement offer. A lot of them being trades of some sort that ended in management. IT seems a big one for this (those that I know), engineers and programmers that are great managers that would prefer to be given a task or project to solve and not have to worry about what other employees are doing.

I'd imagine that most people on this forum, on winning the lottery, would get bored after a while of not working and set up a little business or volunteer or something as a distraction. IMO working makes you appreciate time off.

Not a chance

Saga Lout wrote: Sat May 15, 2021 9:50 am

Dodgy knees wrote: Thu May 13, 2021 7:02 am...

Current jobs ok, but this middle layer of female management real is difficult to get on with. Uneducated folk with plenty of mouth, blame everybody other than themselves for any problems. Horrible f--kers. Senior management are fine.

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Senior management is responsible for putting middle management in place. Why are you letting them off the hook?

Good point...
I meant they are of a better ilk, but yes, they know exactly what they're doing. Putting these 'sorts' in team leader type positions apparently reduces heated confrontation. Bit like having a female football referee. 21st century business bullshit I'm afraid.

Potter wrote: Sun May 16, 2021 3:16 am Watch out for the senior manager (or director) that has been in his job for >5yrs without stepping up, you can get some great ones who are just happy being there, but many have hit their ceiling and they're operating out of their depths and spend all their time looking down to see what you're doing to poke their finger into your business and be a nuisance.

That's the Peter Principle, "...people in a hierarchy tend to rise to their "level of incompetence": employees are promoted based on their success in previous jobs until they reach a level at which they are no longer competent, as skills in one job do not necessarily translate to another."

dayglo jim wrote: Sat May 15, 2021 2:07 pm Golden handcuffs. I know quite a few people that have ended up in senior management with a big salary and hate what the job but the salary affords them a big house, holidays, cars, bikes etc. Just biding their time and building their savings while they wait for an early retirement offer. A lot of them being trades of some sort that ended in management. IT seems a big one for this (those that I know), engineers and programmers that are great managers that would prefer to be given a task or project to solve and not have to worry about what other employees are doing.

I'd imagine that most people on this forum, on winning the lottery, would get bored after a while of not working and set up a little business or volunteer or something as a distraction. IMO working makes you appreciate time off.

I can easily fill days without going to work, there are track days and project bikes that need my attention, mountain biking, pubs, books, loads of things to do, anyone who says they'd get bored without work lacks imagination, I could happily never see another firewall again, and I don't see any point in choosing to work for less than I'm getting paid now.

I thought lockdown had shown me that i'm not ready to retire, but I think it was the restrictions of lockdown that made me feel like that. I'm not in a position to retire just yet anyway and am still enjoying work, but if I won enough money to do so, then yes, I think I probably would?

Saga Lout wrote: Sun May 16, 2021 6:23 am

Potter wrote: Sun May 16, 2021 3:16 am Watch out for the senior manager (or director) that has been in his job for >5yrs without stepping up, you can get some great ones who are just happy being there, but many have hit their ceiling and they're operating out of their depths and spend all their time looking down to see what you're doing to poke their finger into your business and be a nuisance.

That's the Peter Principle, "...people in a hierarchy tend to rise to their "level of incompetence": employees are promoted based on their success in previous jobs until they reach a level at which they are no longer competent, as skills in one job do not necessarily translate to another."

That must be true. In my entire working life I was never promoted.

Le_Fromage_Grande wrote: I can easily fill days without going to work, there are track days and project bikes that need my attention, mountain biking, pubs, books, loads of things to do, anyone who says they'd get bored without work lacks imagination

I don't think boredom is the right word for it. I think "unsatisfied" would cover it better for me. Trackdays or whatever are all well and good but they're a bit well....inconsequential and easy I guess. I dunno the right word for it.

It's a bit like asking a Premier league footballer if they would rather just do 5 a side for more money.

I suppose with a £100m Euromillions win i could some pretty fancy projects, but it'd be unfulfilling i suspect. As above though, it would be a nice quandary to have

Mr. Dazzle wrote: Sun May 16, 2021 6:00 pm

Le_Fromage_Grande wrote: I can easily fill days without going to work, there are track days and project bikes that need my attention, mountain biking, pubs, books, loads of things to do, anyone who says they'd get bored without work lacks imagination

I don't think boredom is the right word for it. I think "unsatisfied" would cover it better for me. Trackdays or whatever are all well and good but they're a bit well....inconsequential and easy I guess. I dunno the right word for it.

It's a bit like asking a Premier league footballer if they would rather just do 5 a side for more money.

I suppose with a £100m Euromillions win i could some pretty fancy projects, but it'd be unfulfilling i suspect. As above though, it would be a nice quandary to have

What do you find fulfilling about work, my job is part of generating money for capitalists, it's not fulfilling in anyway, but it pays well.

If I wanted fulfillment I'd be helping the poor people of the world.

Bike Breaker wrote: Sun May 16, 2021 4:03 pmThat must be true. In my entire working life I was never promoted.

That can only mean you’re not incompetent.

Interesting thread, although I’m a bit uncomfortable with some of misogynistic comments- guess that’s more typical for this demographic though
I quite like this; growth vs fixed mindset. The Peter principle is absolutely evident, as is a time-served approach to progression ( you’ve been here for ages Bob, why don’t you go for that promotion..). IME, you should be nurturing a mentality amongst the workforce that they can grow and move into leadership roles - but it needs a lot of investment, usually involves a lot of additional learning.

Not everyone will be cut out for senior roles. If you’re self aware, chances are you’ll know your ceiling. I know mine and have made peace with that. I am able to make inroads in more national leadership roles without being at the very top of my local organisation ( I’m on two national advisory panels-and it’s fun, because you don’t get the local politics).

Anyway, you’ll not get served progression on a plate- so if you want to advance into more senior roles, scope out the role/the requirements and expectations. It’s not just more money and I fact it’s ‘expensive money’ - you’ll get a few quid more for a load more responsibility.

Middle managers are 10 a penny. I quite like the Gallop ‘strengths finder’ approach ) you’ll have to look it up). This is where you assess strengths Of an individual and rather than try and qualify out perceived weakness with training etc- build the team that compliments the strengths of its individuals. I have 15 services in my portfolio and the very worst is the one that’s full of superhero’s who try and solve things as individuals ( fixed mindset). That’s changing, but all cultures need time to turn around.

I read the first 3 words

Docca wrote: Sun May 16, 2021 7:29 pm

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There’s a lot of truth in that graphic, but it’s not black and white. Sometimes a challenge is best avoided and a problem sometimes is best solved by using past experience rather than by risk taking.