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Why?Horse wrote: Mon Nov 10, 2025 4:43 pm https://www.newscientist.com/article/24 ... xplosions/
Adding fire-suppressing chemicals into batteries can prevent overheating, fires and explosions, cutting the risks for electric vehicles and portable electronics
I don’t think anyone is denying that lithium batteries can develop a fire from a fault and can be a lot harder to extinguish. Which is why airlines are terrified of them.Saga Lout wrote: Mon Nov 10, 2025 4:49 pm
Why?
Whenever anybody mentions electric vehicle fires we're told it's not a problem, they're no more dangerous than ICE vehicles.
ALARP?Saga Lout wrote: Mon Nov 10, 2025 4:49 pmWhy?Horse wrote: Mon Nov 10, 2025 4:43 pm https://www.newscientist.com/article/24 ... xplosions/
Adding fire-suppressing chemicals into batteries can prevent overheating, fires and explosions, cutting the risks for electric vehicles and portable electronics
Whenever anybody mentions electric vehicle fires we're told it's not a problem, they're no more dangerous than ICE vehicles.
MyLondon wrote:Sir Sadiq Khan has been accused by motoring experts of a "backward step" after confirming electric vehicles (EVs) will lose their exemption from the capital's congestion charge. The Mayor of London, who announced the change will take place from January 2, insisted it is essential the scheme "stays fit for purpose" amid a sharp rise in the number of EVs on the road.
The congestion charge, introduced in 2003, covers an area of central London between 7am and 6pm on weekdays, and between noon and 6pm on weekends and bank holidays. The scheme's daily fee will rise from £15 to £18 from January 2.
Pure battery-powered EVs are currently eligible for a 100% discount, but from that date this will be reduced to 25% for cars, and 50% for vans and lorries. The EV discount will be cut further from March 4 2030, to 12.5% for cars and 25% for vans and lorries.
AA president Edmund King urged Sir Sadiq to reverse his decision. He said: "This is a backward step which sadly will backfire on air quality in London.
"Many drivers are not quite ready to make the switch to electric vehicles, so incentives are still needed to help them over the line. The mayor needs to reconsider to continue to help more essential van and car journeys in the capital go electric."
Ginny Buckley, the chief executive of EV advice website Electrifying.com, said: "It's far too soon for TfL to remove exemptions for electric vehicles from the London congestion charge. This policy sends a confusing signal. You can't champion clean air while penalising the vehicles that deliver it."
Transport for London (TfL) said EVs will account for nearly a fifth of all vehicles in the congestion charging zone by the end of this year. Without the changes, it has estimated there could be more than 2,000 additional vehicles driving during operating hours in the zone on an average weekday.
TfL said this would "undermine the benefits" of the scheme by causing "more queues and delays". Sir Sadiq said: "Keeping London moving by reducing congestion is vital for our city and for our economy.
"While the congestion charge has been a huge success since its introduction, we must ensure it stays fit for purpose, and sticking to the status quo would see around 2,200 more vehicles using the congestion charging zone on an average weekday next year.
It does beg the question of what the "purpose" of the charge actually is.Taipan wrote: Thu Nov 13, 2025 12:18 pm Anther blow for clean air in cities, well, London anyway! Given how Khant extended the ULEZ zone and many people sold their cars and bought EVs, I'm not expecting this to go down too well!
MyLondon wrote:Sir Sadiq Khan has been accused by motoring experts of a "backward step" after confirming electric vehicles (EVs) will lose their exemption from the capital's congestion charge. The Mayor of London, who announced the change will take place from January 2, insisted it is essential the scheme "stays fit for purpose" amid a sharp rise in the number of EVs on the road.
The congestion charge, introduced in 2003, covers an area of central London between 7am and 6pm on weekdays, and between noon and 6pm on weekends and bank holidays. The scheme's daily fee will rise from £15 to £18 from January 2.
Pure battery-powered EVs are currently eligible for a 100% discount, but from that date this will be reduced to 25% for cars, and 50% for vans and lorries. The EV discount will be cut further from March 4 2030, to 12.5% for cars and 25% for vans and lorries.
AA president Edmund King urged Sir Sadiq to reverse his decision. He said: "This is a backward step which sadly will backfire on air quality in London.
"Many drivers are not quite ready to make the switch to electric vehicles, so incentives are still needed to help them over the line. The mayor needs to reconsider to continue to help more essential van and car journeys in the capital go electric."
Ginny Buckley, the chief executive of EV advice website Electrifying.com, said: "It's far too soon for TfL to remove exemptions for electric vehicles from the London congestion charge. This policy sends a confusing signal. You can't champion clean air while penalising the vehicles that deliver it."
Transport for London (TfL) said EVs will account for nearly a fifth of all vehicles in the congestion charging zone by the end of this year. Without the changes, it has estimated there could be more than 2,000 additional vehicles driving during operating hours in the zone on an average weekday.
TfL said this would "undermine the benefits" of the scheme by causing "more queues and delays". Sir Sadiq said: "Keeping London moving by reducing congestion is vital for our city and for our economy.
"While the congestion charge has been a huge success since its introduction, we must ensure it stays fit for purpose, and sticking to the status quo would see around 2,200 more vehicles using the congestion charging zone on an average weekday next year.
Taipan wrote: Thu Nov 13, 2025 12:18 pm Anther blow for clean air in cities, well, London anyway! Given how Khant extended the ULEZ zone and many people sold their cars and bought EVs, I'm not expecting this to go down too well!
MyLondon wrote:Sir Sadiq Khan has been accused by motoring experts of a "backward step" after confirming electric vehicles (EVs) will lose their exemption from the capital's congestion charge. The Mayor of London, who announced the change will take place from January 2, insisted it is essential the scheme "stays fit for purpose" amid a sharp rise in the number of EVs on the road.
It's London. Who cares?
Quite!Rockburner wrote: Thu Nov 13, 2025 12:41 pmIt does beg the question of what the "purpose" of the charge actually is.Taipan wrote: Thu Nov 13, 2025 12:18 pm Anther blow for clean air in cities, well, London anyway! Given how Khant extended the ULEZ zone and many people sold their cars and bought EVs, I'm not expecting this to go down too well!
MyLondon wrote:Sir Sadiq Khan has been accused by motoring experts of a "backward step" after confirming electric vehicles (EVs) will lose their exemption from the capital's congestion charge. The Mayor of London, who announced the change will take place from January 2, insisted it is essential the scheme "stays fit for purpose" amid a sharp rise in the number of EVs on the road.
The congestion charge, introduced in 2003, covers an area of central London between 7am and 6pm on weekdays, and between noon and 6pm on weekends and bank holidays. The scheme's daily fee will rise from £15 to £18 from January 2.
Pure battery-powered EVs are currently eligible for a 100% discount, but from that date this will be reduced to 25% for cars, and 50% for vans and lorries. The EV discount will be cut further from March 4 2030, to 12.5% for cars and 25% for vans and lorries.
AA president Edmund King urged Sir Sadiq to reverse his decision. He said: "This is a backward step which sadly will backfire on air quality in London.
"Many drivers are not quite ready to make the switch to electric vehicles, so incentives are still needed to help them over the line. The mayor needs to reconsider to continue to help more essential van and car journeys in the capital go electric."
Ginny Buckley, the chief executive of EV advice website Electrifying.com, said: "It's far too soon for TfL to remove exemptions for electric vehicles from the London congestion charge. This policy sends a confusing signal. You can't champion clean air while penalising the vehicles that deliver it."
Transport for London (TfL) said EVs will account for nearly a fifth of all vehicles in the congestion charging zone by the end of this year. Without the changes, it has estimated there could be more than 2,000 additional vehicles driving during operating hours in the zone on an average weekday.
TfL said this would "undermine the benefits" of the scheme by causing "more queues and delays". Sir Sadiq said: "Keeping London moving by reducing congestion is vital for our city and for our economy.
"While the congestion charge has been a huge success since its introduction, we must ensure it stays fit for purpose, and sticking to the status quo would see around 2,200 more vehicles using the congestion charging zone on an average weekday next year.
Is it merely revenue?
Is it genuinely about reducing congestion?
Because if it's the latter, then it must be accepted that traffic levels never drop - the travelling public will always wish to go places and do things.
If they are going to be serious about reducing congestion, then they (TFL) have to be serious about increasing travel provision elsewhere to match that demand. If they aren't, then the CC just becomes about revenue.
He'll never price driving out of the city as it'll just go on expenses and there has to be a ceiling on what he can charge before London looks even more ridiculous than he's making it!Yorick wrote: Thu Nov 13, 2025 12:45 pmThe 9 million people who live there and the 6 million people that commute into there?Taipan wrote: Thu Nov 13, 2025 12:18 pm Anther blow for clean air in cities, well, London anyway! Given how Khant extended the ULEZ zone and many people sold their cars and bought EVs, I'm not expecting this to go down too well!
MyLondon wrote:Sir Sadiq Khan has been accused by motoring experts of a "backward step" after confirming electric vehicles (EVs) will lose their exemption from the capital's congestion charge. The Mayor of London, who announced the change will take place from January 2, insisted it is essential the scheme "stays fit for purpose" amid a sharp rise in the number of EVs on the road.
It's London. Who cares?
And the rest of the UK who rely on London to keep the economy from falling flat on its face.Taipan wrote: Thu Nov 13, 2025 12:49 pmThe 9 million people who live there and the 6 million people that commute into there?
Not megremlin wrote: Thu Nov 13, 2025 3:12 pmAnd the rest of the UK who rely on London to keep the economy from falling flat on its face.
Edit: that's better.
I haven't driven in London for about 20 years and that was under protest. If I really, really have to go into London I use the train.Yorick wrote: Thu Nov 13, 2025 12:45 pmTaipan wrote: Thu Nov 13, 2025 12:18 pm Anther blow for clean air in cities, well, London anyway! Given how Khant extended the ULEZ zone and many people sold their cars and bought EVs, I'm not expecting this to go down too well!
MyLondon wrote:Sir Sadiq Khan has been accused by motoring experts of a "backward step" after confirming electric vehicles (EVs) will lose their exemption from the capital's congestion charge. The Mayor of London, who announced the change will take place from January 2, insisted it is essential the scheme "stays fit for purpose" amid a sharp rise in the number of EVs on the road.
It's London. Who cares?
Khan has a massive black hole in his finances. It was a no-brainer that it was coming.Mussels wrote: Thu Nov 13, 2025 3:41 pm I don't see how anyone can say they are surprised about charging EVs in the CC zone.
IF it's about congestion, then limiting delivery hours "could" work (not really sure somewhere as huge as London!) - a lot of resorts have restrictions on delivery times for anything over 7.5 tons (I think)Rockburner wrote: Thu Nov 13, 2025 12:41 pm
It does beg the question of what the "purpose" of the charge actually is.
Is it merely revenue?
Is it genuinely about reducing congestion?
Because if it's the latter, then it must be accepted that traffic levels never drop - the travelling public will always wish to go places and do things.
If they are going to be serious about reducing congestion, then they (TFL) have to be serious about increasing travel provision elsewhere to match that demand. If they aren't, then the CC just becomes about revenue.
Congestion here (outside winter) is usually cows, horses, sheep or goats on the roadYorick wrote: Thu Nov 13, 2025 6:47 pm There was terrible congestion in town today. I was stuck behind 2 cars. Yes TWO. Had to wait about 15 seconds
