revtothelimit - motorbike forum

Wreckless Rat wrote: Mon Feb 22, 2021 1:27 pm
No, for uptake to work, it has to work for people. Just saying "you will have to" won't wash.

As I've said loads of times, I think it's the people who will change more than the cars. When it costs twice as much to own a petrol car over a battery one people will suddenly discover that they don't need to be able travel 500 miles at the drop of a hat. Something which they've probably never done even when they owned a petrol car.

There will always be outliers, but they'll remain exactly that.

Rockburner wrote: Mon Feb 22, 2021 1:35 pm You can pump RON98 fuel straight out of the ground?? Where?

It costs fuck all find it, drill it, crack it and get it to the forecourt.

Refining is less than 2p a litre. So, yes, in essence you pump it straight from the ground. The cost of finding it, drilling it and getting to the refinery is way less than the tax on it, something like 40p a litre. The rest is duty and tax... or as it should be called. A tax and another tax... so great they even tax the tax.

Mr. Dazzle wrote: Yes its not always windy, before someone says it

However, using 'off peak' wind generated (or wave, tidal, etc) to create hydrogen, which can be stored and provided quickly at fuel stations to hybrids gets around a lot of objections.

Wreckless Rat wrote: Mon Feb 22, 2021 1:27 pm No, for uptake to work, it has to work for people. Just saying "you will have to" won't wash.

That ^^^^

This is just a small area of Preston, Lancs. The North of England is full of streets like this. They don't even have a back garden, just a yard let alone a driveway on t'front.

I do find it funny that there's all these programmes and trials and the like for self-driving cars, but nothing yet that puts the charge lead into the car automatically...unless I've missed it?

Didn't they look at battery stations, where a nearly empty is swapped for a full one. ? Bit like bbq gas bottles. You don't keep the same battery. Think this would have made good sense, having universal batteries for similar cars, in and out in minute's. Stations in every town. Manufacturers working together.

They would need to be incredibly well secured given the lengths thieves go to get bits of cars worth £1k let alone £10k.

Given that the charging cables cost north of £1500.... it will be interesting what the travellers do, when the streets are lined with these.... apart from the trip hazards of course.

Kneerly Down wrote: Mon Feb 22, 2021 5:20 pm I do find it funny that there's all these programmes and trials and the like for self-driving cars, but nothing yet that puts the charge lead into the car automatically...unless I've missed it?

Yes, you have. There are places already where buses and taxis recharge just by stopping in the correct place.

And odd, too, that petrol stations don't have autofill for petrol

Limited use of pooled electric Renault Twangos for the dissenters!

And decrease their ration of textured insect protein!

Asian Boss wrote: Mon Feb 22, 2021 5:58 pm Limited use of pooled electric Renault Twangos for the dissenters!

And decrease their ration of textured insect protein!

As you creep further and further towards being toxic elderly.... it must pull you in opposing directions. On the one hand, you love big engines and plastic clothing, cheap tacky trainers and the ilk - on the flip side you want to appear to be “dahn widdit, low key peng and eco friendly” all the time, you’re edging ever closer to be toxic....

Horse wrote: Mon Feb 22, 2021 5:51 pm

Kneerly Down wrote: Mon Feb 22, 2021 5:20 pm I do find it funny that there's all these programmes and trials and the like for self-driving cars, but nothing yet that puts the charge lead into the car automatically...unless I've missed it?

Yes, you have. There are places already where buses and taxis recharge just by stopping in the correct place.

And odd, too, that petrol stations don't have autofill for petrol

And how long before that’s a reality for the average home user.... who has permit parking on a back street.

Wreckless Rat wrote: Mon Feb 22, 2021 6:12 pm

Horse wrote: Mon Feb 22, 2021 5:51 pm

Kneerly Down wrote: Mon Feb 22, 2021 5:20 pm I do find it funny that there's all these programmes and trials and the like for self-driving cars, but nothing yet that puts the charge lead into the car automatically...unless I've missed it?

Yes, you have. There are places already where buses and taxis recharge just by stopping in the correct place.

And how long before that’s a reality for the average home user.... who has permit parking on a back street.

No idea

The challenge from KD was answered, but I didn't give a timescale

I think the idea is that the car takes itself off somewhere to be charged while you are otherwise engaged.

Best hope you don't live 49% of the cars range from the nearest station.

So from the potential range of options: full electric, plug in hybrid, hybrid, hydrogen fuel cell, inductive charging, etc., there should be something for everyone.

Mr. Dazzle wrote: Mon Feb 22, 2021 6:36 pm I think the idea is that the car takes itself off somewhere to be charged while you are otherwise engaged.

Best hope you don't live 49% of the cars range from the nearest station.

This poses more questions than it gives answers tbh, by the very nature of people getting home from work pretty much all together. Then the logistics of those who want their car to piss off now, vs those who plan to go out tonight, vs those who just got home and now realise they need to go back to work or to pick their kid up from the station etc etc etc.

I can’t see this “waiting for your car to come back” will ever be popular enough. Yeah yeah you’ll cry “tough that’s how it’s going to be”, I disagree. The car is so popular because it’s there when you need it, not 30mins or 4hrs charging time away.

People already pay a premium to have a car there ready when they want it...if it wasn’t one of the main driving forces, rent a car by the hour would already be a thing, and it isn’t apart from those who live in cities and are happy to use taxis.

Wreckless Rat wrote: Mon Feb 22, 2021 6:10 pm

Asian Boss wrote: Mon Feb 22, 2021 5:58 pm Limited use of pooled electric Renault Twangos for the dissenters!

And decrease their ration of textured insect protein!

As you creep further and further towards being toxic elderly.... it must pull you in opposing directions. On the one hand, you love big engines and plastic clothing, cheap tacky trainers and the ilk - on the flip side you want to appear to be “dahn widdit, low key peng and eco friendly” all the time, you’re edging ever closer to be toxic....

And I'd have got away with being so horrendously old and terribly toxic if it wasn't for you pesky NDWiIT!

Kneerly Down wrote: Mon Feb 22, 2021 5:20 pm I do find it funny that there's all these programmes and trials and the like for self-driving cars, but nothing yet that puts the charge lead into the car automatically...unless I've missed it?

Some bloke had the balls to show up at the RockStore yesterday on one of those HD electric contraptions. He helped make a complete spectacle of himself by wearing a full suit in dayglo wally bib yellow.

ZRX61 wrote: Mon Feb 22, 2021 9:23 pm Some bloke had the balls to show up ... HD ... dayglo wally bib yellow.

All these embarrassing things. He really has got bigger balls

So much for 1%er biker outlaw types fighting against convention