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Just wondered if they were your pics. I was there last year and access was limited. we had seats at turn one but the perimeter path was gated off so we couldn't walk around the track - I think it was Covid restrictions still in place. The images you posted seem to be from around the track...
I'd say it's a bit more than silly - borderline reckless I'd call it. Torpedoing 2 other riders is unforgiveable. The kind of miscalculation that Marini made, taking out Bastianini, is kind of understandable and could be termed a racing incident. No way was Marc's trangression a racing incident.Supermofo wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 4:04 pm First Japanese bike 9th, tells a story that. I'd still rate Marc and Fab as in the top 3 riders but their bikes are shite. Marc can't keep riding like that though he's so overriding it's silly.
And he's been sick as a dog over the weekend, apparently. He was properly on it today.
I think his plan is to skittle the championship contenders until they're so broken they can't ride.Yorick wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 5:31 pm MM was at fault, but fantastic to see his old aggression returning. Obviously no lingering health problems.
If his 'old aggression returning' leads him to make mistakes like he did today, I'd say he'd be better off without it. Or rather the rest of the grid would be better off. I think he has to get it into his head that he's not the MM of 4 or 5 years ago and face up to a new reality. He's still as quick as anyone on the grid but he's no longer head and shoulders above the rest. Today was a case of his ambition out-stripping his ability.Yorick wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 5:31 pm MM was at fault, but fantastic to see his old aggression returning. Obviously no lingering health problems.
I meant that he's not scared of his injuries and prepared to battle.mangocrazy wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 6:12 pmIf his 'old aggression returning' leads him to make mistakes like he did today, I'd say he'd be better off without it. Or rather the rest of the grid would be better off. I think he has to get it into his head that he's not the MM of 4 or 5 years ago and face up to a new reality. He's still as quick as anyone on the grid but he's no longer head and shoulders above the rest. Today was a case of his ambition out-stripping his ability.Yorick wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 5:31 pm MM was at fault, but fantastic to see his old aggression returning. Obviously no lingering health problems.
Agreed. In that respect he is the same MM as he ever was.Yorick wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 6:20 pm
I meant that he's not scared of his injuries and prepared to battle.
Most hated. Hmm. I wasn't really a fan but been won over by his desire to overcome all his recent injuries.westers151 wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 6:34 pm I think we're all getting a bit caried away blaming Marc; plenty of people have done the same thing - from the top of my head: Gibernau playing skittles at the start of the 2006 Catalan GP; Zarco wiping out Morbidelli and causing near decapitation of Rossi and co at the Red Bull ring; Doohan taking out Schwantz and Barros in the 1993 Donnington GP; Alex Marquez doing a pretty similar thing as Marc in last years Australian Grand Prix; and the worst, Rossi blatantly wiping out MM by jamming his front brake on.
It happens, even the best riders in the world can have a brain fart and make a mistake, especially when trying to compensate for an under performing bike. Hell, even a good chunk of the current grid did their best to try and take each other out in the sprint race yesterday, but I guess this is MM, the most hated rider in MotoGP (it would appear), and so his head is demanded.
OK, who do we blame for the incident then?westers151 wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 6:34 pm I think we're all getting a bit caried away blaming Marc; plenty of people have done the same thing - from the top of my head: Gibernau playing skittles at the start of the 2006 Catalan GP; Zarco wiping out Morbidelli and causing near decapitation of Rossi and co at the Red Bull ring; Doohan taking out Schwantz and Barros in the 1993 Donnington GP; Alex Marquez doing a pretty similar thing as Marc in last years Australian Grand Prix; and the worst, Rossi blatantly wiping out MM by jamming his front brake on.
It happens, even the best riders in the world can have a brain fart and make a mistake, especially when trying to compensate for an under performing bike. Hell, even a good chunk of the current grid did their best to try and take each other out in the sprint race yesterday, but I guess this is MM, the most hated rider in MotoGP (it would appear), and so his head is demanded.
I never said he was the only rider to have ever pulled a daft move, as you've pointed out the very best are culpable. I was merely stating that on this occasion it was MM who pulled a brain-out move. I haven't called for his head, I've simply confined myself to what happened in this incident. Not really sure what all the fuss is about, to be honest.westers151 wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 6:55 pmWe blame Marc; I'm not saying he's innocent, as he blatantly caused it, but get it into some perspective - he's not the only person to have messed up and wiped out riders in what would appear to be reckless incidents.mangocrazy wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 6:47 pmOK, who do we blame for the incident then?westers151 wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 6:34 pm I think we're all getting a bit caried away blaming Marc; plenty of people have done the same thing - from the top of my head: Gibernau playing skittles at the start of the 2006 Catalan GP; Zarco wiping out Morbidelli and causing near decapitation of Rossi and co at the Red Bull ring; Doohan taking out Schwantz and Barros in the 1993 Donnington GP; Alex Marquez doing a pretty similar thing as Marc in last years Australian Grand Prix; and the worst, Rossi blatantly wiping out MM by jamming his front brake on.
It happens, even the best riders in the world can have a brain fart and make a mistake, especially when trying to compensate for an under performing bike. Hell, even a good chunk of the current grid did their best to try and take each other out in the sprint race yesterday, but I guess this is MM, the most hated rider in MotoGP (it would appear), and so his head is demanded.
