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Completely agree - he just made a mistake.wull wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 8:46 pm I wouldn’t even class it as a move, it looks more like he’s missed his braking marker and had way too much speed to do anything,
My point is if he keeps over riding the bike like he did all weekend this is what will happen, which is silly, in a understatement type way. He has been riding like that all weekend to try and make the bike fit and it went wrong. They've all done it. My point is he can't keep doing it. This is weekend 1!!mangocrazy wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 4:15 pmI'd say it's a bit more than silly - borderline reckless I'd call it. Torpedoing 2 other riders is unforgiveable. The kind of miscalculation that Marini made, taking out Bastianini, is kind of understandable and could be termed a racing incident. No way was Marc's trangression a racing incident.Supermofo wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 4:04 pm First Japanese bike 9th, tells a story that. I'd still rate Marc and Fab as in the top 3 riders but their bikes are shite. Marc can't keep riding like that though he's so overriding it's silly.
Agreed, it was a mistake rather than a banzai move and the consequences were high. Doesnt help Espargaro Snr coming out with "he needs a minimum one race ban" along with "its the first weekend and we have 4 riders in the hospital already so it has to change"wull wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 8:46 pm I wouldn’t even class it as a move, it looks more like he’s missed his braking marker and had way too much speed to do anything, it doesn’t even look like he tried anything much at all other than at the last moment moving across, ricocheted off Martin and then blootered Oliveira. These things happen, social media is going tits over it.
Dittowesters151 wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 11:49 pmI gloss over when Aspagarus elder talks.Bigyin wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 11:19 pmAgreed, it was a mistake rather than a banzai move and the consequences were high. Doesnt help Espargaro Snr coming out with "he needs a minimum one race ban" along with "its the first weekend and we have 4 riders in the hospital already so it has to change"wull wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 8:46 pm I wouldn’t even class it as a move, it looks more like he’s missed his braking marker and had way too much speed to do anything, it doesn’t even look like he tried anything much at all other than at the last moment moving across, ricocheted off Martin and then blootered Oliveira. These things happen, social media is going tits over it.
Pol made a mistake and was unlucky to go so far to hit the barrier. Bastianini was unlucky to be on the outside of Marini when he lost it and slid into him.
I dont recall Doohan being so categized for his braking error taking out Schwantz and Barros at the British GP back in the day.
Couldn't disagree more. He made a mistake and it went wrong... no more than that.mangocrazy wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 6:12 pmIf his 'old aggression returning' leads him to make mistakes like he did today, I'd say he'd be better off without it. Or rather the rest of the grid would be better off. I think he has to get it into his head that he's not the MM of 4 or 5 years ago and face up to a new reality. He's still as quick as anyone on the grid but he's no longer head and shoulders above the rest. Today was a case of his ambition out-stripping his ability.Yorick wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 5:31 pm MM was at fault, but fantastic to see his old aggression returning. Obviously no lingering health problems.
Jeez, i thought you were bad in the current afairs topics... Now you're dragging the stupidity out into racing forums... lovely.irie wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 10:32 pm Bottom line is that the racing would be better and safer without MM on the track.
Nah, you're simply wrong.... completely wrong, totally wrong and just ridiculously wrong. If i can't put it into better words, you'll never understand why MM is pivotal to this championship, season, riding, experience.
Yeah, he made a mistake and it went wrong, I agree. But he's pushing himself and his bike well past what both are capable of, and if that continues it won't end well. That's my point.weeksy wrote: Mon Mar 27, 2023 10:10 amCouldn't disagree more. He made a mistake and it went wrong... no more than that.mangocrazy wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 6:12 pm If his 'old aggression returning' leads him to make mistakes like he did today, I'd say he'd be better off without it. Or rather the rest of the grid would be better off. I think he has to get it into his head that he's not the MM of 4 or 5 years ago and face up to a new reality. He's still as quick as anyone on the grid but he's no longer head and shoulders above the rest. Today was a case of his ambition out-stripping his ability.
OK, unforgivable is OTT. But that was a nasty accident, and all concerned are fairly lucky that they got away relatively unscathed.weeksy wrote: Mon Mar 27, 2023 10:10 am As for Unforgivable, meh, not having that either. I've seen hundreds of riders make hundreds of mistakes and whilst this wasn't ideal... That's all it way.
That's his job, that's what they all do, day in day out. He wasn't pushing the limits in the crash, he just fucked up... nothing more, nothing less.mangocrazy wrote: Mon Mar 27, 2023 10:40 am Yeah, he made a mistake and it went wrong, I agree. But he's pushing himself and his bike well past what both are capable of, and if that continues it won't end well. That's my point.
Yeah, I get that and I completely agree with what you say. But that accident wasn't as a result of riding just over the limit - it was way over the limit. He was pretty much out of control and more or less admitted as much in post-race comments. 'Pushing the limits' is totally routine for these guys. If they don't do that all the time they're 20th and a second off the pace. But that accident was well past pushing the limits.weeksy wrote: Mon Mar 27, 2023 10:44 amThat's his job, that's what they all do, day in day out. He wasn't pushing the limits in the crash, he just fucked up... nothing more, nothing less.mangocrazy wrote: Mon Mar 27, 2023 10:40 am Yeah, he made a mistake and it went wrong, I agree. But he's pushing himself and his bike well past what both are capable of, and if that continues it won't end well. That's my point.
He's one of the greatest riders ever to walk the planet and 'push the limits' and beyond for year upon year upon year... That's why he's won titles, not because the Honda was brilliant, but because he could push those limits.
Last year he ruined what chance fabio had of a title, this year he's torpedoing half the midfield.westers151 wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 6:34 pm I think we're all getting a bit caried away blaming Marc; plenty of people have done the same thing - from the top of my head: Gibernau playing skittles at the start of the 2006 Catalan GP; Zarco wiping out Morbidelli and causing near decapitation of Rossi and co at the Red Bull ring; Doohan taking out Schwantz and Barros in the 1993 Donnington GP; Alex Marquez doing a pretty similar thing as Marc in last years Australian Grand Prix; and the worst, Rossi blatantly wiping out MM by jamming his front brake on.
It happens, even the best riders in the world can have a brain fart and make a mistake, especially when trying to compensate for an under performing bike. Hell, even a good chunk of the current grid did their best to try and take each other out in the sprint race yesterday, but I guess this is MM, the most hated rider in MotoGP (it would appear), and so his head is demanded.
Bizarrely the penalty was specifically to be served at the race in Argentina and doesn't carry forward if he misses the race.Yorick wrote: Mon Mar 27, 2023 10:50 am He's out injured for next race then 2 long loop penalties at COTA.
Gonna be a long way behind on points after all that.
Aye. Seems you're right..ChrisW wrote: Mon Mar 27, 2023 11:10 amBizarrely the penalty was specifically to be served at the race in Argentina and doesn't carry forward if he misses the race.Yorick wrote: Mon Mar 27, 2023 10:50 am He's out injured for next race then 2 long loop penalties at COTA.
Gonna be a long way behind on points after all that.
Marquez' riding was verging on the dangerous at times in the first couple of laps, he finished the job off on the third lap.weeksy wrote: Mon Mar 27, 2023 10:39 amNah, you're simply wrong.... completely wrong, totally wrong and just ridiculously wrong. If i can't put it into better words, you'll never understand why MM is pivotal to this championship, season, riding, experience.
Fabio pretty much lost the championship when he pulled a 'never going to work' move on Asparagus the Elder at Assen. Fabio chucked away a potential 25 points and also compromised A the E's race. After that it was a catalogue of misfortunes coupled with Ducati relentlessly improving their bike and the Yamaha ether standing still or regressing. And Pecco not making any mistakes.westers151 wrote: Mon Mar 27, 2023 11:53 am
I think Yamaha and Fabio ruined what chance Fabio had of a title, not MM. I mean, Fabio was 90 points clear at one stage, and MM sure as hell didn't have any input in him losing those points.
Let's blame MM for the polar bears dying