G.P wrote: Sat Mar 25, 2023 8:25 pm
@wull - are you at Portimao?
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I wish
Just wondered if they were your pics. I was there last year and access was limited. we had seats at turn one but the perimeter path was gated off so we couldn't walk around the track - I think it was Covid restrictions still in place. The images you posted seem to be from around the track...
First Japanese bike 9th, tells a story that. I'd still rate Marc and Fab as in the top 3 riders but their bikes are shite. Marc can't keep riding like that though he's so overriding it's silly.
Some good performances 4th back. Zarco pulled a blinder.
Supermofo wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 4:04 pm
First Japanese bike 9th, tells a story that. I'd still rate Marc and Fab as in the top 3 riders but their bikes are shite. Marc can't keep riding like that though he's so overriding it's silly.
I'd say it's a bit more than silly - borderline reckless I'd call it. Torpedoing 2 other riders is unforgiveable. The kind of miscalculation that Marini made, taking out Bastianini, is kind of understandable and could be termed a racing incident. No way was Marc's trangression a racing incident.
Supermofo wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 4:04 pm
Some good performances 4th back. Zarco pulled a blinder.
And he's been sick as a dog over the weekend, apparently. He was properly on it today.
I watched it live, and saw it on all the replays. Marc was simply going too fast to make the corner, bounced off Jorge Martin and then torpedoed Miguel Oliveira. If he can't avoid contact like that he shouldn't be racing.
That was a horrible crash for Joel Kelso,just over the finish line in Moto3. Hope he's ok.
The Aussie is one to watch for the future.
Acosta seems to be back to full fitness and looks set to dominate Moto2 this season. I expected more from Dixon,but although he and Lowes made some ground toward the end,they were never close to the front runners.
Marquez tripped over his own dick trying to make the Honda do the impossible,which was a pity for Olivera and Martin.
Bagnaia just looks like he has more in hand than everyone else,while Yamaha's misery starts again. Morbidelli was loosing something like a second every lap of the race.
Yorick wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 5:31 pm
MM was at fault, but fantastic to see his old aggression returning. Obviously no lingering health problems.
If his 'old aggression returning' leads him to make mistakes like he did today, I'd say he'd be better off without it. Or rather the rest of the grid would be better off. I think he has to get it into his head that he's not the MM of 4 or 5 years ago and face up to a new reality. He's still as quick as anyone on the grid but he's no longer head and shoulders above the rest. Today was a case of his ambition out-stripping his ability.
Yorick wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 5:31 pm
MM was at fault, but fantastic to see his old aggression returning. Obviously no lingering health problems.
If his 'old aggression returning' leads him to make mistakes like he did today, I'd say he'd be better off without it. Or rather the rest of the grid would be better off. I think he has to get it into his head that he's not the MM of 4 or 5 years ago and face up to a new reality. He's still as quick as anyone on the grid but he's no longer head and shoulders above the rest. Today was a case of his ambition out-stripping his ability.
I meant that he's not scared of his injuries and prepared to battle.
westers151 wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 6:34 pm
I think we're all getting a bit caried away blaming Marc; plenty of people have done the same thing - from the top of my head: Gibernau playing skittles at the start of the 2006 Catalan GP; Zarco wiping out Morbidelli and causing near decapitation of Rossi and co at the Red Bull ring; Doohan taking out Schwantz and Barros in the 1993 Donnington GP; Alex Marquez doing a pretty similar thing as Marc in last years Australian Grand Prix; and the worst, Rossi blatantly wiping out MM by jamming his front brake on.
It happens, even the best riders in the world can have a brain fart and make a mistake, especially when trying to compensate for an under performing bike. Hell, even a good chunk of the current grid did their best to try and take each other out in the sprint race yesterday, but I guess this is MM, the most hated rider in MotoGP (it would appear), and so his head is demanded.
Most hated. Hmm. I wasn't really a fan but been won over by his desire to overcome all his recent injuries.
And our lass was a massive Rossi fan and she almost hated MM.
But even she was a bit upset by him crashing out.
westers151 wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 6:34 pm
I think we're all getting a bit caried away blaming Marc; plenty of people have done the same thing - from the top of my head: Gibernau playing skittles at the start of the 2006 Catalan GP; Zarco wiping out Morbidelli and causing near decapitation of Rossi and co at the Red Bull ring; Doohan taking out Schwantz and Barros in the 1993 Donnington GP; Alex Marquez doing a pretty similar thing as Marc in last years Australian Grand Prix; and the worst, Rossi blatantly wiping out MM by jamming his front brake on.
It happens, even the best riders in the world can have a brain fart and make a mistake, especially when trying to compensate for an under performing bike. Hell, even a good chunk of the current grid did their best to try and take each other out in the sprint race yesterday, but I guess this is MM, the most hated rider in MotoGP (it would appear), and so his head is demanded.
No idea WTF is happening here. They showed 18 minutes of blah blah blah (I took a shower), they cut to a fucking MX race, now we're 23 minutes into it & they still haven't started the race. Rapidly losing interest.
westers151 wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 6:34 pm
I think we're all getting a bit caried away blaming Marc; plenty of people have done the same thing - from the top of my head: Gibernau playing skittles at the start of the 2006 Catalan GP; Zarco wiping out Morbidelli and causing near decapitation of Rossi and co at the Red Bull ring; Doohan taking out Schwantz and Barros in the 1993 Donnington GP; Alex Marquez doing a pretty similar thing as Marc in last years Australian Grand Prix; and the worst, Rossi blatantly wiping out MM by jamming his front brake on.
It happens, even the best riders in the world can have a brain fart and make a mistake, especially when trying to compensate for an under performing bike. Hell, even a good chunk of the current grid did their best to try and take each other out in the sprint race yesterday, but I guess this is MM, the most hated rider in MotoGP (it would appear), and so his head is demanded.
OK, who do we blame for the incident then?
We blame Marc; I'm not saying he's innocent, as he blatantly caused it, but get it into some perspective - he's not the only person to have messed up and wiped out riders in what would appear to be reckless incidents.
I never said he was the only rider to have ever pulled a daft move, as you've pointed out the very best are culpable. I was merely stating that on this occasion it was MM who pulled a brain-out move. I haven't called for his head, I've simply confined myself to what happened in this incident. Not really sure what all the fuss is about, to be honest.
Well I thoroughly enjoyed that. Yeah, MM was really over riding the bike, shame, it would have been interesting to see how he and Olivera would have done at full race distance. I thought Fabio did really well to catch up with the 4th-8th battle.I reckon he'll be top 5 next week. Good to see the KTMS up there scrapping too.
Argentina should be interesting, nobody has tested there so there will be a wider range of set-up success / failure.
I wouldn’t even class it as a move, it looks more like he’s missed his braking marker and had way too much speed to do anything, it doesn’t even look like he tried anything much at all other than at the last moment moving across, ricocheted off Martin and then blootered Oliveira. These things happen, social media is going tits over it.
The bit I read before must have been talking about the earlier contact where Marquez had a moment and couldn’t help contact but nobody went down.
