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Re: Depression

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Thought cannabis lead to anxiety? That said i've seen the vids of its effects on parkinsons and kids with seizures etc
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Taipan wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2024 7:35 pm Thought cannabis lead to anxiety? That said i've seen the vids of its effects on parkinsons and kids with seizures etc
My understanding is that some strains can cause issues (paranoia in later life, messed up brains immediately - seen it with friends of a similar age some had effects when young, others suffer massively with paranoia later)

HOWEVER - good CBD oil is not supposed to do that. All the 'druggy' effects are removed (or not used) and the good, useful bits are left.

Only my very unscientific understanding of what people have explained to me!!


I've tried it for pain relief and it did as much as opiates do - sod all!! But a mate has gotten his ability to ski-tour back due to taking CBD oil. So - very person dependent I think. And probably the same for any condition it's taken for - everyone is slightly different!!!
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Oddly enuff, this popped up today. A sciency study - cannabis/THC...DNA changes and psychosis.

https://theconversation.com/high-potenc ... 20research
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Count Steer wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2024 9:05 pm Oddly enuff, this popped up today. A sciency study - cannabis/THC...DNA changes and psychosis.

https://theconversation.com/high-potenc ... rch-241384
I was hoping for a bit (ok, a lot) more in the way of conclusions other than 'using high-potency cannabis alters DNA methylation'. And they also define high potency cannabis as having more than 10% THC, when there are products available that contain 90% THC (oils and waxes). So all a bit wooly and inconclusive, really.

Perhaps they'd been sampling before writing up the results... :D
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mangocrazy wrote: Fri Oct 18, 2024 5:21 pm
Count Steer wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2024 9:05 pm Oddly enuff, this popped up today. A sciency study - cannabis/THC...DNA changes and psychosis.

https://theconversation.com/high-potenc ... rch-241384
I was hoping for a bit (ok, a lot) more in the way of conclusions other than 'using high-potency cannabis alters DNA methylation'. And they also define high potency cannabis as having more than 10% THC, when there are products available that contain 90% THC (oils and waxes). So all a bit wooly and inconclusive, really.

Perhaps they'd been sampling before writing up the results... :D
I haven't read the original paper, this summary just happened to land in my inbox when people on here were talking about anxiety. I think the conclusion is that they detected changes in the DNA more frequently in people who developed psychosis and linked that to THC intake. ie it might not be the best solution for self-treating anxiety....but I guess it might work for some?
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Noggin wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2024 8:46 pm
Taipan wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2024 7:35 pm Thought cannabis lead to anxiety? That said i've seen the vids of its effects on parkinsons and kids with seizures etc
My understanding is that some strains can cause issues (paranoia in later life, messed up brains immediately - seen it with friends of a similar age some had effects when young, others suffer massively with paranoia later)

HOWEVER - good CBD oil is not supposed to do that. All the 'druggy' effects are removed (or not used) and the good, useful bits are left.

Only my very unscientific understanding of what people have explained to me!!


I've tried it for pain relief and it did as much as opiates do - sod all!! But a mate has gotten his ability to ski-tour back due to taking CBD oil. So - very person dependent I think. And probably the same for any condition it's taken for - everyone is slightly different!!!
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demographic wrote: Fri Oct 18, 2024 7:38 pm
Noggin wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2024 8:46 pm
Taipan wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2024 7:35 pm Thought cannabis lead to anxiety? That said i've seen the vids of its effects on parkinsons and kids with seizures etc
My understanding is that some strains can cause issues (paranoia in later life, messed up brains immediately - seen it with friends of a similar age some had effects when young, others suffer massively with paranoia later)

HOWEVER - good CBD oil is not supposed to do that. All the 'druggy' effects are removed (or not used) and the good, useful bits are left.

Only my very unscientific understanding of what people have explained to me!!


I've tried it for pain relief and it did as much as opiates do - sod all!! But a mate has gotten his ability to ski-tour back due to taking CBD oil. So - very person dependent I think. And probably the same for any condition it's taken for - everyone is slightly different!!!
Any information regarding magic mushroom usage and later life?
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I did have a go at that cbd thing. It didn’t help.

Over the last few days I’ve been trying turmeric

It has improved my well being and mood/day to day stuff if that makes sense to anyone 😀
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Last time I smoked a joint in Thailand I had to hold onto the edge of the bed in case I got swallowed up by it and got very, very anxious about a glass of water that was on the bedside cabinet in case I knocked it off and walked on broken glass, to the point that Mrs. G had to take it out of the room.

I'll stick to a nice glass of red in the future.
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gremlin wrote: Mon Oct 21, 2024 9:49 am Last time I smoked a joint in Thailand I had to hold onto the edge of the bed in case I got swallowed up by it and got very, very anxious about a glass of water that was on the bedside cabinet in case I knocked it off and walked on broken glass, to the point that Mrs. G had to take it out of the room.

I'll stick to a nice glass of red in the future.
Perhaps you had to adjust the dose, for a first-timer you need to take half a dosage a normal consumer takes
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silver991 wrote: Thu Oct 24, 2024 11:11 am

Perhaps you had to adjust the dose, for a first-timer you need to take half a dosage a normal consumer takes
Let's just say I'm not a regular user any more, by about 30 years. I suspect that it was a case of:

-Being very out of practice.

-That new shit being waaaaay stronger than the little bit of 'erb that I used to enjoy as a youthful lad.
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gremlin wrote: Thu Oct 24, 2024 12:43 pm Let's just say I'm not a regular user any more, by about 30 years. I suspect that it was a case of:

-Being very out of practice.

-That new shit being waaaaay stronger than the little bit of 'erb that I used to enjoy as a youthful lad.
My consumption of 'erb has lessened a lot over the last 20 years, but I'm still partial to the odd toke. The weed that's available these days is just so much stronger than even the stuff we had in the early noughties, and the methods of delivery have concentrated the dosage you get. 7 or 8 years ago I went on a 'Highland Fling' around Scotland with 6 or 7 mates on our bikes and one evening the 'usual suspects' were at their normal location firing up the bong substitutes that deliver a pure, top strength hit of THC goodness. I'd never used one of these devices before (still take mine via joints) and a few seconds after the first hit I realised that I really, really needed to get to my inhaler before my lungs collapsed. It was fucking scary, I tell ya.

A combination of super strength weed and a delivery method that maximised the hit took me waaaaay outside my comfort zone...
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I've got a few bob and nice toys and live in my idea of paradise.
When I'm down I tell myself what I've got.

But just realised what really lifts me.

Just spent the weekend riding at Portimao race circuit.

First day was a washout, but rather than feel down, I realised just how happy I was to be at a race circuit.
Watching, looking, listening.
I've been doing this since 1982.

My head's been on cloud 9 for 3 days.

Hard to explain, but it's an amazing feeling.

Not just the riding, but just being there with like minded people.
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Yorick wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 10:41 pm I've got a few bob and nice toys and live in my idea of paradise.
When I'm down I tell myself what I've got.

But just realised what really lifts me.

Just spent the weekend riding at Portimao race circuit.

First day was a washout, but rather than feel down, I realised just how happy I was to be at a race circuit.
Watching, looking, listening.
I've been doing this since 1982.

My head's been on cloud 9 for 3 days.

Hard to explain, but it's an amazing feeling.

Not just the riding, but just being there with like minded people.
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I often wonder if that's my Son's problem. He always focuses on the negative side of things. If on the same day he won the lottery and trod in dog shite, he'd spend the day moaning about the dog shit.
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Taipan wrote: Tue Nov 05, 2024 8:00 am I often wonder if that's my Son's problem. He always focuses on the negative side of things. If on the same day he won the lottery and trod in dog shite, he'd spend the day moaning about the dog shit.
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“Count your blessings” doesn’t work for people with true depression. It can/ does make things worse.

“Yes, I know I’ve got all these advantages, things, money, support, love etc, so I shouldn’t feel this awful…. But I still do. What’s WRONG with me?”
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Wossname wrote: Tue Nov 05, 2024 10:10 am “Count your blessings” doesn’t work for people with true depression. It can/ does make things worse. “Yes, I know I’ve got all these advantages, things, money, support, love etc, so I shouldn’t feel this awful…. But I still do. What’s WRONG with me?”
I may have mentioned this before, but I'd rather be poorly in a nice place, rather than stuck somewhere cold n miserable.
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Taipan wrote: Tue Nov 05, 2024 8:00 am I often wonder if that's my Son's problem. He always focuses on the negative side of things. If on the same day he won the lottery and trod in dog shite, he'd spend the day moaning about the dog shit.
That is pretty well the definition of depression.
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