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Hoss , please don't do anything for me . You quoted an article from the Spectator which is behind a pay wall . The article itself says the concept ( of black folk building Stonehenge) is contentious. . The part of the article you can access is more against your argument than SLs .

Treadeager wrote: Sun May 25, 2025 10:43 pm Hoss , please don't do anything for me . You quoted an article from the Spectator which is behind a pay wall . The article itself says the concept ( of black folk building Stonehenge) is contentious. . The part of the article you can access is more against your argument than SLs .

That was a poor attempt at humour, for which I apologise

As you will have seen immediately after, I'd already found it, so pasted it in.

The Spectator article was the first source I could find for any additional information.

It names the online publication which carried the research findings. Which suggest - no more, it's one sample from the many, many, thousands of people who lived and died here during that period.

However, I had a look for support for the claim that kids are being taught 'black people built Stonehenge' and the furthest I could get is that there's a 'new book' that states it.

The Express tells us:
The claim that Stonehenge was built by black people is made in the book “Brilliant Black British History”, which is used in schools nationwide. The controversial book, written by Nigerian-born British author Atinuke, states that “Britain was a black country for more than 7,000 years before white people came.”

In a way, that's right. Over the years this island has been invaded by Romans, Saxons, Vikings, all sorts

If by 'came' it means 'evolved', then that's probably right too.

This seems to be in the news because:
"according to research by the Policy Exchange think-tank"

Wiki says:
Policy Exchange is a British conservative think tank based in London. In 2007 it was described in The Daily Telegraph as "the largest, but also the most influential think tank on the right"."

I could dig further but, TBH, it's late and I CBA.

Edit: yes, the section I quoted supported Saga's pov. But I did because I'm an unpleasant person, apparently

So to summarise, Dazzle's rant at SL was uncalled for ( but you liked it ? )

Treadeager wrote: Mon May 26, 2025 8:58 am So to summarise, Dazzle's rant at SL was uncalled for ( but you liked it ? )

Like the best awards ceremonies, in reverse order.

I liked it because it highlighted that a. It wasn't light hearted news', b. There was no evidence given other than a paywall link, and c. With the 'woke' jab is should have been posted elsewhere.

FWIW, if SL thinks that kids being incorrectly educated is a joke then he needs to reflect.

Also, the DNA evidence for the population at that time period was based on just one individual. See above for population numbers, etc. The quote about this land originally being populated by people with darker skin is probably correct. But it is one short quite been taken out of a book. That might be as representative as the DNA.

And ... We have no idea - I'd welcome it - that these kids are actually being taught. Or in how many schools, etc.

What we do know, is that it was a Conservative 'think tank' study reported in a Conservative newspaper.

So, no, I don't think woke is a joke and there wasn't much evidence in that first post to support the accusation made.

I apologise.

This story should have gone into the political news thread. I thought the idea of Stonehenge being built by people who looked like Somalians or Nigerians was so risible as to be almost beyond a joke. I was wrong. The Ministry of Truth are probably revising all our history books right now.

Saga Lout wrote: Mon May 26, 2025 9:57 amThe Ministry of Truth are probably revising all our history books right now.

[X] Should be in the 'Conspiracy theories' thread

PS I blame the teachers. Well, I would if it wasn't half term now, so all the lazy f@ckers are on holiday again

For avoidance of doubt, both these comments (and perhaps this one?) are jokes

Horse wrote: Mon May 26, 2025 10:13 am

Saga Lout wrote: Mon May 26, 2025 9:57 amThe Ministry of Truth are probably revising all our history books right now.

[X] Should be in the 'Conspiracy theories' thread

PS I blame the teachers. Well, I would if it wasn't half term now, so all the lazy f@ckers are on holiday again

For avoidance of doubt, both these comments (and perhaps this one?) are jokes

Also for the avoidance of doubt, my mention to the Ministry of Truth was referring to George Orwell's 1984.

It's surely only a matter of time before our canals and railways were built by sub Saharan Africans.

We could help you to navigate to that conclusion

https://mediacentre.hs2.org.uk/news/hs2 ... me-workers

Saga Lout wrote: Mon May 26, 2025 10:22 am

Horse wrote: Mon May 26, 2025 10:13 am

Saga Lout wrote: Mon May 26, 2025 9:57 amThe Ministry of Truth are probably revising all our history books right now.

[X] Should be in the 'Conspiracy theories' thread

PS I blame the teachers. Well, I would if it wasn't half term now, so all the lazy f@ckers are on holiday again

For avoidance of doubt, both these comments (and perhaps this one?) are jokes

Also for the avoidance of doubt, my mention to the Ministry of Truth was referring to George Orwell's 1984.

It's surely only a matter of time before our canals and railways were built by sub Saharan Africans.

Building the Grand Union Canal 1910. Fact!

Taipan wrote: Mon May 26, 2025 11:22 am

Saga Lout wrote: Mon May 26, 2025 10:22 am

Horse wrote: Mon May 26, 2025 10:13 am

[X] Should be in the 'Conspiracy theories' thread

PS I blame the teachers. Well, I would if it wasn't half term now, so all the lazy f@ckers are on holiday again

For avoidance of doubt, both these comments (and perhaps this one?) are jokes

Also for the avoidance of doubt, my mention to the Ministry of Truth was referring to George Orwell's 1984.

It's surely only a matter of time before our canals and railways were built by sub Saharan Africans.

Building the Grand Union Canal 1910. Fact!

Hey - it could be worse. If we found out that the ancient Brits used slaves from Africa to build Stonehenge, we'd have to pull it down and throw it in the harbour (or River Kennet)

Not a fact! The Grand Union was built in the 1800s. By aliens.

The article in the Independant earlier this year is a good summary of the "not peer reviewed" work on the skin colour of ancient people. There's a good chance that some pale skinned people were involved in building Stonehenge.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/h ... 08600.html

Pirahna wrote: Mon May 26, 2025 1:37 pm The article in the Independant earlier this year is a good summary of the "not peer reviewed" work on the skin colour of ancient people. There's a good chance that some pale skinned people were involved in building Stonehenge.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/h ... 08600.html

“Things changed afterwards, but very slowly, so that only in the Iron Age did the frequency of light skins equal that of dark skins; during much of prehistory, most Europeans were dark-skinned.”

ie After Stonehenge was complete. But I'm cherry-picking a quote - and that's across the study's definition of Europe.

Mr. Dazzle wrote: Sun May 25, 2025 7:48 pm About to say the same as Hoss.

If you actually look at this story Saga you see that teaching black people built stone henge isn't laughable or ridiculous wokeism...it's potentially true.

I think it was dern who called you out before and I have to agree with him, you genuinely are an unpleasantly prejudiced person.

I know this is the light hearted thread so I'm not going to say any more, but sometimes this of thing is too much IMO.

The flip side of all this is that it points toward the awkward aspect that white people evolved from black people... which I'm not sure is the message they want to say out loud...
However, there's also the deal where Celts originated around India, & I don't recall anyone saying Indians were black, altho some are really dark. Conversely, there are some Pakistanis business owners here who are no darker than Italians.

Horse wrote: Sun May 25, 2025 11:57 pm The Express tells us:
The claim that Stonehenge was built by black people is made in the book “Brilliant Black British History”, which is used in schools nationwide. The controversial book, written by Nigerian-born British author Atinuke, states that “Britain was a black country for more than 7,000 years before white people came.”

In a way, that's right. Over the years this island has been invaded by Romans, Saxons, Vikings, all sorts

If by 'came' it means 'evolved', then that's probably right too.

Maybe he's claiming the white folk showed up from Scandinavia? Someone should ask him.

ZRX61 wrote: Mon May 26, 2025 3:25 pm

Mr. Dazzle wrote: Sun May 25, 2025 7:48 pm About to say the same as Hoss.

If you actually look at this story Saga you see that teaching black people built stone henge isn't laughable or ridiculous wokeism...it's potentially true.

I think it was dern who called you out before and I have to agree with him, you genuinely are an unpleasantly prejudiced person.

I know this is the light hearted thread so I'm not going to say any more, but sometimes this of thing is too much IMO.

The flip side of all this is that it points toward the awkward aspect that white people evolved from black people... which I'm not sure is the message they want to say out loud...
However, there's also the deal where Celts originated around India, & I don't recall anyone saying Indians were black, altho some are really dark. Conversely, there are some Pakistanis business owners here who are no darker than Italians.

I may misremember but isn't what is now Africa supposed to be where Homo Sapiens first appeared/evolved? So we're all Africans in a sense.

It'll probably come as a shock to some that the 'cradle of civilisation' was in Mesopotamia and not eg Wigan or Essex too.

Count Steer wrote: Mon May 26, 2025 4:28 pm I may misremember but isn't what is now Africa supposed to be where Homo Sapiens first appeared/evolved? So we're all Africans in a sense.

It'll probably come as a shock to some that the 'cradle of civilisation' was in Mesopotamia and not eg Wigan or Essex too.

Isn't there a theory that at some point in the future we'll all be the same shade? That's really going to boil the piss of the racists & race baiters. We'll be talking about blacks & whites etc the way we talk about Neanderthals...

ZRX61 wrote: Mon May 26, 2025 4:40 pm

Count Steer wrote: Mon May 26, 2025 4:28 pm I may misremember but isn't what is now Africa supposed to be where Homo Sapiens first appeared/evolved? So we're all Africans in a sense.

It'll probably come as a shock to some that the 'cradle of civilisation' was in Mesopotamia and not eg Wigan or Essex too.

Isn't there a theory that at some point in the future we'll all be the same shade? That's really going to boil the piss of the racists & race baiters. We'll be talking about blacks & whites etc the way we talk about Neanderthals...

Then it'll be down to big toe length. The superior longer 2nd toes versus these freaks with a longer big toe.

KungFooBob wrote: Mon May 26, 2025 4:44 pm

ZRX61 wrote: Mon May 26, 2025 4:40 pm

Count Steer wrote: Mon May 26, 2025 4:28 pm I may misremember but isn't what is now Africa supposed to be where Homo Sapiens first appeared/evolved? So we're all Africans in a sense.

It'll probably come as a shock to some that the 'cradle of civilisation' was in Mesopotamia and not eg Wigan or Essex too.

Isn't there a theory that at some point in the future we'll all be the same shade? That's really going to boil the piss of the racists & race baiters. We'll be talking about blacks & whites etc the way we talk about Neanderthals...

Then it'll be down to big toe length. The superior longer 2nd toes versus these freaks with a longer big toe.

Nah. The master-race of 'outy' belly buttoners will have genetically engineered all the long-second-toers out...and put Gondwana back together to cut down on sea travel.

ZRX61 wrote: Mon May 26, 2025 4:40 pm

Count Steer wrote: Mon May 26, 2025 4:28 pm I may misremember but isn't what is now Africa supposed to be where Homo Sapiens first appeared/evolved? So we're all Africans in a sense.

It'll probably come as a shock to some that the 'cradle of civilisation' was in Mesopotamia and not eg Wigan or Essex too.

Isn't there a theory that at some point in the future we'll all be the same shade? That's really going to boil the piss of the racists & race baiters. We'll be talking about blacks & whites etc the way we talk about Neanderthals...

60+ years on, some lyrics might be considered worthy of discussion