new bike locks

[rodbargee]

Once upon a time we had the mighty Almax chain now the flavour of the month looks from the vids I'v seen like, re-bar dressed up as a U lock that will consume a battery powered angle grider with ease...any first hand exerience .........discuss

[Horse]

The Bennetts BikeSocial team do a good job of attempting to destruction test locks. There are some systems - more than just 'a lock' - that ear angle grinders.

[A_morti]

Once upon a time we had the mighty Almax chain now the flavour of the month looks from the vids I'v seen like, re-bar dressed up as a U lock that will consume a battery powered angle grider with ease...any first hand exerience .........discuss

It's not rebar. It's lab-grown-diamond-coated hardened steel.

The diamond coating is extremely resistant to abrasive discs to the point it's basically grinder proof if that's all you brought with you as a thief. If the thief realises why his discs are useless and switches to a diamond disc, it will eventually get through the diamond coating but the hardened steel is very resistant to diamond discs, so it'll then blunt immediately. If he switches back to an abrasive disc, he's still cutting through the edges of the bar which are still coated, and the disc won't last long.

So these locks are extremely grinder resistant. Basically grinder proof really, unless the thief happened to bring at least a handful of diamond discs, and a handful of abrasive discs with him.

And better double all that including (crucially) the grinder battery, because the good ones have a square shackle and/or well designed locking pin which you'd have to cut at two points to have it release off the bike.

[Horse]

The Bennetts BikeSocial team do a good job of attempting to destruction test locks. There are some systems - more than just 'a lock' - that ear angle grinders.

Just published

https://www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/r ... e-security

[Didge]

I went for the Hiplock DX1000 when I was changing bikes. I bought two of them, one for each bike, and I'm going to buy a third for the Enfield.
Easy enough to carry around, and they've had a good write up on every test that I've read.

They're expensive, but what price does one put on one's bike?

[Nordboy]

I went for the Hiplock DX1000 when I was changing bikes. I bought two of them, one for each bike, and I'm going to buy a third for the Enfield.
Easy enough to carry around, and they've had a good write up on every test that I've read.

They're expensive, but what price does one put on one's bike?

I have the same, I was one of the early adopters and funded them on crowdfund, so I had no idea if it was any good or not. I've also then bought a Hiplok dxxl lock and chain so can use a combination of both locks and have the facility to lock the bike to something solid.

[crust]

Once upon a time we had the mighty Almax chain now the flavour of the month looks from the vids I'v seen like, re-bar dressed up as a U lock that will consume a battery powered angle grider with ease...any first hand exerience .........discuss

It's not rebar. It's lab-grown-diamond-coated hardened steel.

The diamond coating is extremely resistant to abrasive discs to the point it's basically grinder proof if that's all you brought with you as a thief. If the thief realises why his discs are useless and switches to a diamond disc, it will eventually get through the diamond coating but the hardened steel is very resistant to diamond discs, so it'll then blunt immediately. If he switches back to an abrasive disc, he's still cutting through the edges of the bar which are still coated, and the disc won't last long.

So these locks are extremely grinder resistant. Basically grinder proof really, unless the thief happened to bring at least a handful of diamond discs, and a handful of abrasive discs with him.

And better double all that including (crucially) the grinder battery, because the good ones have a square shackle and/or well designed locking pin which you'd have to cut at two points to have it release off the bike.

Sadly, thiefs aren't that easily discouraged, if the lock is through the wheel only, they just grind through the nice soft aluminium spoke

Do the hiplocks go over the tyre and rim? Must do some investigating about their dimensions.

Can you hipppies post some photos of where you put the locks, please. Obvs remove photo meta data with location etc.

[Horse]

The Bennetts BikeSocial team do a good job of attempting to destruction test locks. There are some systems - more than just 'a lock' - that ear angle grinders.

Just published

https://www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/r ... e-security

From that article:

" ... using any lock, even a cheap one, will significantly reduce the chances of your bike being stolen ...

"Our data shows that using a disc lock reduces the chance of a thief stealing your bike by a factor of three, while a quality chain and lock will make it less likely to be stolen than a car."

[Didge]

This what you're looking for Crust?

First pic, lock thru' wheel of my 350 Forza scoot.
2nd pic, my cub.
Lock goes thru the Enfield wheel exactly the same.





Probably be a bit tight over the tyre of some bigger bikes. The only way to know, is to try someone's lock on your bike(s).

[crust]

Cheers, Didge

They look big enough. They're not going to cut through the tyre + rim and ride off.

[rodbargee]

So they look like a good thing. no ?

[Scootabout]

If there's any problem with super-resistant locks like the Hiplock, it's the risk of being lulled into believing that you don't need to lock the bike to something solid. I doubt there's any lock that can't be defeated after it's been lifted into a van and taken back to a workshop.

[Scootabout]

Just published

https://www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/r ... e-security

From that article:

" ... using any lock, even a cheap one, will significantly reduce the chances of your bike being stolen ...

"Our data shows that using a disc lock reduces the chance of a thief stealing your bike by a factor of three, while a quality chain and lock will make it less likely to be stolen than a car."

That might be true, but it feels overly reassuring, at least for somewhere like London. A fellow bike club member had her GS 1250 stolen recently. She lives in a gated cluster of flats. The bike was stolen from a basement, locked garage. Her other bike, and someone else's bike, weren't touched. Clearly a targeted theft.

[Nordboy]

If there's any problem with super-resistant locks like the Hiplock, it's the risk of being lulled into believing that you don't need to lock the bike to something solid. I doubt there's any lock that can't be defeated after it's been lifted into a van and taken back to a workshop.

That's why I also bought myself the Hiplock DXXL, the chain can wrap through itself so can be quite long. So DX1000 for the front and the DXXL for the rear, along with a disclock. It is less substantial than the DX1000, but weighs quite a bit less than my almax, which is probably not feasable to lug around on the bike all the time.

As we all know, nothing's infalible, but unless they specifically want your bike model then it's the making it more difficult than the next bike scenario.

[A_morti]

the making it more difficult than the next bike scenario.

Indeed.
"I don't need to outrun the bear"

[McNab]

I recently got the Litelok X3, which is meant to be for both motorcycles and bicycles.

I picked it over the bigger one due to weight, but I kind of wish I had picked the X1 now, the X3 only just fits over the wheel and tyre with very little free play.

[MrLongbeard]

How do these newer U-Locks stand up to a basic car jack attack?

[Scootabout]

It's a good question, and I'm guessing, from the lack of replies, that no-one knows.

[Pirahna]

Just watched this video. It's aimed at cyclists but includes the Litelok X3 and Hiplok D1000. The best lock for angle grinder resistance is a bicycle lock, the Kryptonite New York Diamond.

[Hot_Air]

Just watched this video. It's aimed at cyclists but includes the Litelok X3 and Hiplok D1000. The best lock for angle grinder resistance is a bicycle lock, the Kryptonite New York Diamond.

Many thanks—that’s by far the best video I’ve seen on angle grinder-resistant locks. I was an early Hiplock adopter, but with hindsight, I’d prefer a smaller-sized lock to fit in my tankbag.

I’m impressed that LiteLock uses an Abloy lock cylinder, as it’s such a high-end lock. I’d be confident in its reliability (rust resistance, not jamming, etc.).

Batch quality control makes me question whether the Kryptonite is best.