Depression

[wheelnut]

. Or today's kids are just snowflakes and need to grow a pair.

I think that’s fairly close to the truth in a lot of instances. A lot of today’s kids seem hung up on ‘discovering themselves’, and being that concerned with themselves and attaining their perfect life that they forget to just live life.

I don’t think it’s a case of them being selfish as such, more that they have unrealistic expectations of real life.

[Cousin Jack]

Many do seem to have totally unrealistic expectations when they start work. A lot of careers need you to put in the hard yards first, and then relax a bit later. Many of today's yoof want it the other way around, and get very disappointed when reality kicks them in the goolies.

[Taipan]

There was another programme on Radio 4 about psychedelic therapy. The idea being that many conditions being seen and treated as mental illness such as bipolar, major depression, anxiety etc may in fact stem from multiple complex trauma as a child. Events so extreme the child was unable to process them at the time and has internalised them, resulting in the current dysfunction and symptoms.

There is growing evidence these can be addressed by one off or limited amounts of therapy delivered to the subject under the influence of mdma, psilocybin, etc. That in such a heightened state, the patient can revisit the events and begin to process them, aided by professional guidance.

I'm quite up for becoming a psychedelic therapist. The old green grift bores me now and may be running out. It could be a bit like when Jez became a life coach in Peep Show. I think my first degree was psychology, or half psychology, so that should be a good step in the right direction.

Didn't see that, but I'm not convinced. The thing that strikes me is that younger generations seem to me much more prone to problems.

Either something in modern society is causing this, and some serious research is needed to find what it is, societal, environmental, whatever. . Or today's kids are just snowflakes and need to grow a pair.

Something in today’s diet would be my guess. So many chemicals and additives etc in today’s food, might well be contributory? Attitudes are certainly different. A couple of generations ago people had been through a world war so everything was judged by those horrors and I can hear people of my grandparents generation saying “pull yourself together”! Plus, mental health problems were actually shameful, particularly for men, not that long ago. It was hidden and certainly not given the audience it is today, where we are, thankfully, encouraged to talk.

That said I can see where you’re going with the snowflake thing, as I do think younger generations aren’t very resilient to stressful situations and have that now famed “sense of entitlement”! Yes that’s a sweeping generalisation, but it’s certainly what I.m experiencing in my working life. FWIW, both my kids have had mental health problems with one suicide attempt and I have absolutely no idea why?

[MyLittleStudPony]

There was another programme on Radio 4 about psychedelic therapy. The idea being that many conditions being seen and treated as mental illness such as bipolar, major depression, anxiety etc may in fact stem from multiple complex trauma as a child. Events so extreme the child was unable to process them at the time and has internalised them, resulting in the current dysfunction and symptoms.

There is growing evidence these can be addressed by one off or limited amounts of therapy delivered to the subject under the influence of mdma, psilocybin, etc. That in such a heightened state, the patient can revisit the events and begin to process them, aided by professional guidance.

I'm quite up for becoming a psychedelic therapist. The old green grift bores me now and may be running out. It could be a bit like when Jez became a life coach in Peep Show. I think my first degree was psychology, or half psychology, so that should be a good step in the right direction.

Didn't see that, but I'm not convinced. The thing that strikes me is that younger generations seem to me much more prone to problems.

Either something in modern society is causing this, and some serious research is needed to find what it is, societal, environmental, whatever. . Or today's kids are just snowflakes and need to grow a pair.

https://www.england.nhs.uk/2017/10/half ... ay-age-uk/

Half of adults aged 55 and over have experienced common mental health problems, say Age UK

[Cousin Jack]

There was another programme on Radio 4 about psychedelic therapy. The idea being that many conditions being seen and treated as mental illness such as bipolar, major depression, anxiety etc may in fact stem from multiple complex trauma as a child. Events so extreme the child was unable to process them at the time and has internalised them, resulting in the current dysfunction and symptoms.

There is growing evidence these can be addressed by one off or limited amounts of therapy delivered to the subject under the influence of mdma, psilocybin, etc. That in such a heightened state, the patient can revisit the events and begin to process them, aided by professional guidance.

I'm quite up for becoming a psychedelic therapist. The old green grift bores me now and may be running out. It could be a bit like when Jez became a life coach in Peep Show. I think my first degree was psychology, or half psychology, so that should be a good step in the right direction.

Didn't see that, but I'm not convinced. The thing that strikes me is that younger generations seem to me much more prone to problems.

Either something in modern society is causing this, and some serious research is needed to find what it is, societal, environmental, whatever. . Or today's kids are just snowflakes and need to grow a pair.

https://www.england.nhs.uk/2017/10/half ... ay-age-uk/

Half of adults aged 55 and over have experienced common mental health problems, say Age UK

I'm not going to dispute that. I was depressed at one point, went to the quack and was prescribed pills. 10 days in and I decided I really didn't want to do pills, they stopped depression but they stopped me from feeling anything. So I stopped, gave myself a kick in the arsenal, and got on with life.
That regime won't suit everyone, but I cannot stand the yoofs who can't go to work, but can manage a holiday OK.

[Yorick]

Didn't see that, but I'm not convinced. The thing that strikes me is that younger generations seem to me much more prone to problems.

Either something in modern society is causing this, and some serious research is needed to find what it is, societal, environmental, whatever. . Or today's kids are just snowflakes and need to grow a pair.

https://www.england.nhs.uk/2017/10/half ... ay-age-uk/

Half of adults aged 55 and over have experienced common mental health problems, say Age UK

I'm not going to dispute that. I was depressed at one point, went to the quack and was prescribed pills. 10 days in and I decided I really didn't want to do pills, they stopped depression but they stopped me from feeling anything. So I stopped, gave myself a kick in the arsenal, and got on with life.
That regime won't suit everyone, but I cannot stand the yoofs who can't go to work, but can manage a holiday OK.

I was off sick 2 years. Absolutely rock bottom. Work caused it. Then the work doctor told me to do the trackday instruction where it was the only place I was in control of my head. He also told me to go to pub once a week for some formality. Both helped a lot.

[Noggin]

I remember when I first realised it was depression that was causing my issues, I was told by a LOT of people not to go to the doctor because if they disclosed to an employer that I had depression, then my job chances would be nil (back in the 90's).

I did try meds despite that but they didn't help (one lot made me sleep all the time, the second lot made me sick all the time), so I told the doctor I was fine and did the “pull yourself together” thing ever since - which is mostly working.

I am trying to find out if there are any downsides out here to going to the doctor about depression as I think I've use up the last of my “pull yourself together” shit and it might be time to admit I need help (of course, it could just be the last major bit of stress that I need to sort out and then things will be ok. Still gonna try and find out what the attitudes are like here about meds).



I have a sort of friend up here that REALLY uses the anxiety and depression angle as the reason they can't manage stuff (training, work, life). Ok, I get that sometimes it is a major block - I've seen it in real friends, I've felt it myself. But after so many years of meds & therapry etc, surely there is a point where the rest of the world will stop just picking them up and dusting them down? Surely there is a time when you have to use the meds/therapy but ALSO do some work yourself? (This person is mid twenties and there is a seriously long list of 'issues' with employers/friends/trainers).

I was seriously sympathetic and tried to help with their work situation and support on training and other stuff. But the day I admitted that I had an issue myself and couldn't cope with listening that day was the last day I saw or heard from that person in almost 6 weeks. So, if I wasn't willing to be 100% supportive to their 'issues', I was of no use. So actually, I've stopped being unconditional with them now!!

For real friends, I will always do my best to 'be there' and generally if I'm struggling I'll say that that's the reason I'm going to be/have been quiet for a bit.

But when I have tried and then see someone is actually not making any effort to even find some bootstraps to try to pull themselves up with, or is not willing to be remotely understanding of other peoples issues, well, I'll stop trying too!!

[MrLongbeard]

Noticed I've started to slip, so ordered myself a therapy light

By buggery it's ruddy bright.
Comes with 3 modes, 'relax' (very warm yellow light) for first and last thing, 'active' (cold white light) for morning working and 'therapy' (white blue light that rivals the output of 1000 suns) to imitate normal daylight.

Been using it a week, and yeah, but nah, but maybe it's doing something, oh sure it may be no more than the placebo effect, but if a placebo fools the body into working is it really a placebo.....

The effect it's having on me is interesting, to me at least, physically I can feel the side of my face getting warm as if I'm outside on a summer day, which is an odd sensation when sat next to an open window in winter, will keep using it and see what happens, if owt, long term.

@Potter was wondering if this worked in another thread, so as it's about time to put it away and after 4 months what are my thoughts, have I wasted 60 quid, am I more stable, happy, sad or whatever?

First the money, the least important part in my opinion, but it does cost, is it wasted? not in my mind, it was suggested I try this by my GP and a telephone / online mental health therapist, so why not, the cost is around 6 - 7 months worth of SSRI or other happy pills on prescription (if you don't prepay, which I do).

Did it work? For me, yes I think it did, especially as I didn't get it until my mood was starting to slip so it had an uphill battle to start with, rather than being used before I was in a low mood.

Don't get me wrong, it's no magic bullet, I haven't been farting rainbows and seeing unicorns, I still have bouts / periods where I need to take myself off alone for fear of what I might to to others or property, but they were very few and that alone is an improvement where the year before I'd be afraid to be on my own for fear of what I'd do to myself.

Long story short, mostly because I have no idea how to express my results / feelings, I think it has improved my mood and will pull it back out of the drawer next autumn and continue using it.

[Yorick]

Noticed I've started to slip, so ordered myself a therapy light

By buggery it's ruddy bright.
Comes with 3 modes, 'relax' (very warm yellow light) for first and last thing, 'active' (cold white light) for morning working and 'therapy' (white blue light that rivals the output of 1000 suns) to imitate normal daylight.

Been using it a week, and yeah, but nah, but maybe it's doing something, oh sure it may be no more than the placebo effect, but if a placebo fools the body into working is it really a placebo.....

The effect it's having on me is interesting, to me at least, physically I can feel the side of my face getting warm as if I'm outside on a summer day, which is an odd sensation when sat next to an open window in winter, will keep using it and see what happens, if owt, long term.

@Potter was wondering if this worked in another thread, so as it's about time to put it away and after 4 months what are my thoughts, have I wasted 60 quid, am I more stable, happy, sad or whatever?

First the money, the least important part in my opinion, but it does cost, is it wasted? not in my mind, it was suggested I try this by my GP and a telephone / online mental health therapist, so why not, the cost is around 6 - 7 months worth of SSRI or other happy pills on prescription (if you don't prepay, which I do).

Did it work? For me, yes I think it did, especially as I didn't get it until my mood was starting to slip so it had an uphill battle to start with, rather than being used before I was in a low mood.

Don't get me wrong, it's no magic bullet, I haven't been farting rainbows and seeing unicorns, I still have bouts / periods where I need to take myself off alone for fear of what I might to to others or property, but they were very few and that alone is an improvement where the year before I'd be afraid to be on my own for fear of what I'd do to myself.

Long story short, mostly because I have no idea how to express my results / feelings, I think it has improved my mood and will pull it back out of the drawer next autumn and continue using it.

I'm no expert but maybe some remedies are like a placebo? You want it to work, so it does.

Is that a goer?

[MrLongbeard]

I'm no expert but maybe some remedies are like a placebo? You want it to work, so it does.

Is that a goer?

It's a perfectly good alternative explanation, it may well be the placebo effect.
When it comes to actual physical medications then it's a different story, but for this, shining bright lights in your eye to regulate brain chemistry, as I said in my other post 'if it's working then does it matter if it's placebo or not'

[Yorick]

Every morning I do 3.5 mile dog walk. Including a mile on beach front.
Lovely scenery and sunny.

About half hour after I get home is when I drop. If I've summat important to do, then I'll do it.
Otherwise I'll wait till the cloud lifts mid afternoon then get on with things.

Seems the sun doesn't do me much good.

[Noggin]

Vitamin D makes a massive difference. If the light is one that helps create VitD (create might be the wrong word) then that will be part of the improvement for sure x

[MyLittleStudPony]

If I feel down I listen to some speed garage in front of a mirror with my shirt off.

If that doesn't work I try some gabba techno

[Noggin]

I came up with a new (to me) phrase last night whilst talking to a mate about some life issues -

I'm a functioning depressive

Kinda like a functioning alcoholic - most people have no idea I suffer with depression and if I say it they are shocked. I've spent all my life pretending to be ok, and it seems I do a damned fine job of it!!

Another mate this morning said that he needs to learn to be more functioning! But at least I've got him talking to me about it, little steps make it easier to deal with. Never easy for some but easier sometimes

[MyLittleStudPony]

I remember when I was at my worst, rapid cycling between depressed, anxious and manic states, fighting repeated urges to kill myself and others. It felt like I would never be ok again. At that time I promised the stars and any heavenly beings and deities if they could get me out of this I would clean up my act and dedicate the rest of my life to god and helping others.

I'm a long time me better now and fuck that promise, helping others and god. And if I could get some drugs I'd happily take them. Lovely, lovely drugs.

[MyLittleStudPony]

I remember when I was at my worst, rapid cycling between depressed, anxious and manic states, fighting repeated urges to kill myself and others. It felt like I would never be ok again. At that time I promised the stars and any heavenly beings and deities if they could get me out of this I would clean up my act and dedicate the rest of my life to god and helping others.

I'm a long time me better now and fuck that promise, helping others and god. And if I could get some drugs I'd happily take them. Lovely, lovely drugs.

That said, it looks like I've got gallstones or kidney stones now. I don't think they'll kill me but there's probably a lot of pain ahead. I know what I said before but if the stars and any heavenly beings and deities out there are listening and get me out of this, I will clean up my act and dedicate the rest of my life to god and helping others. Helping the poor if necessary. The northern poor even! Just get me out of this stones business!

[Buckaroo]

Kidney stones: I do hope that you don't.

Had them for forty years, often twice per year. Agony ensues.....bastard things.

Get yourself checked out pronto.

[MyLittleStudPony]

Kidney stones: I do hope that you don't.

Had them for forty years, often twice per year. Agony ensues.....bastard things.

Get yourself checked out pronto.

Thank you. I did have one many years ago.

Whatever it is now, it hurts when it happens. I've been to A&E twice, had blood tests twice, GP once and have a scan booked.

[Buckaroo]

Good luck with the outcome. Either are unpleasant, so I hope you have neither

[Cousin Jack]

Gallstones can be easily fixed with a keyhole op. Mrs had it done a couple of years ago. Not sure about kidney stones.