Ozempic and suchlike...know anybody on 'em?

[gremlin]

I know two other ladies (always seems to be ladies: societal pressure? That's a debate for another thread) who have had bariatric surgery. Lady A has discovered that drinking doesn't make you feel as full, so has started piling on the pounds again. Plus, she says she can eat more now a few years after surgery, so I suspect the intestines will find a way to accommodate what goes in.

Lady B is still on the weight loss journey a few years after surgery but has had to have two quite major ops to remove excess skin.

It's seeing stuff like that that makes me politely decline a second helping of pudding. I am by no means a six-packed, muscle-bound Adonis, but I do try to keep in shape and live a healthy life.

[Trinity765]

I just wanted my leathers to fit comfortably and they do I never had any weight issues until recently and even now, I have never dieted.

I agree with most comments. It's cheating and the only real way to be healthy is to have a healthy lifestyle. I put on two stone after two major changes, the menopause and working from home. It's not rocket science - if I want to keep the weight off I will have to eat less and move more.

Ozempic mouth is bollocks. I saw a post on FB that had two pictures of Sharon Osbourne however the pictures were 20 years apart and we are all going to get a bit wrinkly.

Sulphur breath is caused by ketosis "a metabolic state where the body burns fat for fuel instead of carbohydrates". There are lots of toxins stored in fat which get released when you burn it off and is not a direct result from weight loss drugs.

[Taipan]

I just wanted my leathers to fit comfortably and they do I never had any weight issues until recently and even now, I have never dieted.

I agree with most comments. It's cheating and the only real way to be healthy is to have a healthy lifestyle. I put on two stone after two major changes, the menopause and working from home. It's not rocket science - if I want to keep the weight off I will have to eat less and move more.

Ozempic mouth is bollocks. I saw a post on FB that had two pictures of Sharon Osbourne however the pictures were 20 years apart and we are all going to get a bit wrinkly.

Sulphur breath is caused by ketosis "a metabolic state where the body burns fat for fuel instead of carbohydrates". There are lots of toxins stored in fat which get released when you burn it off and is not a direct result from weight loss drugs.

I disagree. There's enough written about ozempic face by medical people to say it isn't bollocks...

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=ozemp ... s-wiz-serp

[MrLongbeard]

I just wanted my leathers to fit comfortably and they do I never had any weight issues until recently and even now, I have never dieted.

I agree with most comments. It's cheating and the only real way to be healthy is to have a healthy lifestyle. I put on two stone after two major changes, the menopause and working from home. It's not rocket science - if I want to keep the weight off I will have to eat less and move more.

Ozempic mouth is bollocks. I saw a post on FB that had two pictures of Sharon Osbourne however the pictures were 20 years apart and we are all going to get a bit wrinkly.

Sulphur breath is caused by ketosis "a metabolic state where the body burns fat for fuel instead of carbohydrates". There are lots of toxins stored in fat which get released when you burn it off and is not a direct result from weight loss drugs.

I disagree. There's enough written about ozempic face by medical people to say it isn't bollocks...

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=ozemp ... s-wiz-serp

It's caused by rapid weight loss, no matter what method is used to achieve it, nowt to do with the drug itself

Ozempic face is not a medical term or a direct side effect of using Ozempic, GLP-1 receptor agonists, or other weight loss medications. Instead, it is a result of significant and rapid weight loss and can occur even if you lose weight by making lifestyle changes alone.

Above from superdrug, and repeated by the first 3 articles I picked at random for your search, eg HArvard say;

GLP-1 drugs for diabetes and weight loss have proven to be very effective, but they do have side effects. Among those side effects is "Ozempic face," where skin on the face sags and wrinkles. "Ozempic face" was coined in reference one of these drugs, although any rapid weight loss can cause it.

[Taipan]

I just wanted my leathers to fit comfortably and they do I never had any weight issues until recently and even now, I have never dieted.

I agree with most comments. It's cheating and the only real way to be healthy is to have a healthy lifestyle. I put on two stone after two major changes, the menopause and working from home. It's not rocket science - if I want to keep the weight off I will have to eat less and move more.

Ozempic mouth is bollocks. I saw a post on FB that had two pictures of Sharon Osbourne however the pictures were 20 years apart and we are all going to get a bit wrinkly.

Sulphur breath is caused by ketosis "a metabolic state where the body burns fat for fuel instead of carbohydrates". There are lots of toxins stored in fat which get released when you burn it off and is not a direct result from weight loss drugs.

I disagree. There's enough written about ozempic face by medical people to say it isn't bollocks...

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=ozemp ... s-wiz-serp

It's caused by rapid weight loss, no matter what method is used to achieve it, nowt to do with the drug itself

Ozempic face is not a medical term or a direct side effect of using Ozempic, GLP-1 receptor agonists, or other weight loss medications. Instead, it is a result of significant and rapid weight loss and can occur even if you lose weight by making lifestyle changes alone.

Above from superdrug, and repeated by the first 3 articles I picked at random for your search, eg HArvard say;

GLP-1 drugs for diabetes and weight loss have proven to be very effective, but they do have side effects. Among those side effects is "Ozempic face," where skin on the face sags and wrinkles. "Ozempic face" was coined in reference one of these drugs, although any rapid weight loss can cause it.

I don't disagree that any form of rapid weight loss will cause it, but it still remains that it is a side effect of Ozempic.

[Trinity765]

As far as side effects go, it's not a biggy. You'd have to lose a lot of weight for it to be a problem and if you had, you'd be much healthier.

Let's not forget that for those really obese people it's life changing and will extend their longevity if used correctly. Sure, the majority will put weight back on but not all.

[Horse]

* If I ever found a way to reduce my high blood pressure -

Stop being a mod?

[demographic]

The woman I do my weekday morning dog walks with mentioned that she's got a bit of spare skin but she's lost knocking on half her bodyweight. Its to be expected.
But now she's taking weekend walks in the fells and is a lot more active and mobile.

She said that she's done various diets over the years and has slowly gained weight over a long period, reckons that even if she does gain she'll do it fairly slowly anyway and if needs start back on the injections.
I can't fault that.

[Taipan]

[MrLongbeard]

Funnily enough that's tonight's tea, that and half an onion

[Count Steer]

In a timely fashion, this dropped this morning. A shortish piece on weight, weight loss, health etc. It covers a lot of ground in not a lot of words. Why we might put it on, why we might regain it after losing it, why being healthy isn't necessarily the same as being thin etc.

Worth a read.

https://theconversation.com/five-things ... 0nutrition

[gremlin]

In a timely fashion, this dropped this morning. A shortish piece on weight, weight loss, health etc. It covers a lot of ground in not a lot of words. Why we might put it on, why we might regain it after losing it, why being healthy isn't necessarily the same as being thin etc.

Worth a read.

https://theconversation.com/five-things ... 0nutrition

I read this book recently: https://www.amazon.se/-/en/Jessie-Incha ... 1982179414

She makes some interesting points re glucose spikes and how the body increases insulin to reduce the spikes, which then get stored as fat. I'm not sure I buy into all of it, for various reasons, but the point in your article about calories is very true. A calorie is simply a unit of measurement of how much energy is given out when something is burned. The example of the biscuit and the boiled egg is a good one: same calories, different composition. One will give a large glucose spike, the other will provide protein, which gentlemen of our age need in ever increasing quantities due to age-related muscle loss.

The science and theorising can be overwhelming, but the old adage of 'eat less, move more' covers an awful lot of it.

[Taipan]

Drinking less alcohol and eating less carbs is working for me without even really trying. If I put more effort into it and exercised too, I think the weight loss would be a lot more advanced and much quicker too. Very surprised at what a difference its made for me. Long way to go mind, but with limited mobility this is the way forward for me.

[gremlin]

Drinking less alcohol

During lockdown, I lost a ton of flab, as going down the pub was a no-no, as was eating out. Added that I was running every morning and then doing weights in the evening, I actually shocked myself with how svelte I looked.

I still train 5 days a week on average, a mixture of running, weights and circuits, but I have a paunch that I just can't shift. Maybe we need another global pandemic so I can look buff again. Or maybe I'm just getting older and have to suck it up.

[MrLongbeard]

Worth a read.

https://theconversation.com/five-things ... 0nutrition

From the comments

This is a relatively knew phenomenon. When I was at school in the ‘50s, '60s and '70s it was unusual to see obese people of whatever age

Probably true (before my time) but then you couldn't get shite like this https://www.independent.co.uk/life-styl ... 02278.html delivered to your door in under 30 minutes.
Never have I been so happy to not live within close distance to a chain takeaway and the food delivery co's haven't got a foothold in our town

[Count Steer]

Worth a read.

https://theconversation.com/five-things ... 0nutrition

From the comments

This is a relatively knew phenomenon. When I was at school in the ‘50s, '60s and '70s it was unusual to see obese people of whatever age

Probably true (before my time) but then you couldn't get shite like this https://www.independent.co.uk/life-styl ... 02278.html delivered to your door in under 30 minutes.
Never have I been so happy to not live within close distance to a chain takeaway and the food delivery co's haven't got a foothold in our town

Generally true from my (and wife's) experience - we've both commented that chubbiness was an exception when we were at school. Pretty much the same at Uni.

Lots of factors at play though. Food was relatively expensive (as a % of total spend, much higher than today), less ferrying of kids around by car, more active lifestyles and jobs generally. Often only one parent worked so the other could manage the household and cook everything from scratch. Etc etc.

As for 'fast food', the nearest thing we had was just about every family lived just a stroll away from a chippy and that was often a Friday staple...get sent of on the errand for 4 lots of 'fish and six" and 'buy yourself some batter bits with the change'.

It was a bit of a culture shock when 2 Chinese restaurants opened - creatively named the Silver Bird and the Silver Leaf and they didn't do takeaway! (We had to wait around few more years for the first Chinese Chippy and the delights of fluorescent 'curry' sauce. ).

Uni was a bit different....curry houses galore. (None of them did take-away or delivered either, at that time as far as I can remember but then, it was about going out - few beers, curry. Job jobbed).

[MrLongbeard]

Lots of factors at play though. Food was relatively expensive (as a % of total spend, much higher than today), less ferrying of kids around by car, more active lifestyles and jobs generally. Often only one parent worked so the other could manage the household and cook everything from scratch. Etc etc.

Not to forget all the crap and chemicals that are in most processed foods, and the chemicals from modern food packaging.
We should all go back to easting seasonally available food which is available locally

[gremlin]

Where do we start? Modern processed foods are (cynically and manipulatively) designed to give a dopamine hit when eating it, be it from high sugar* content or fat content. That 'Mmm, that's delicious' moment is your brain telling you to more of it whilst it's available in case you don't see food again for the next few days. The issue being is that you do see food afterward, usually in the shape of another portion. So you eat it.
As your brain gets used to those dopamine hits, so food manufacturers are adding more sugar and fat to keep us addicted.

And then there's the marketing. Granola, oft touted as a 'healthy breakfast' is packed full of sugar, and that's not including the dried fruit. Gatorade, the bestselling 'sports rehydration drink' in the US has 34g of sugar in a 20oz bottle. That's nigh-on an adult's recommended daily sugar allowance. Yet somebody will go and do a half-arsed gym workout and think they need it for the 'essential electrolytes', then wonder why the weight is piling on.

I take the piss of of the Gremlinette as she will open our well-stocked fridge and bemoan that there is 'nothing to eat'. I think what she means is that there is nothing to eat instantly . Slice a bit of sourdough and poach some fecking eggs. 5 mins tops.



*And sugar included glucose, fructose, sucrose, etc. It's all the same, including honey, maple syrup and all the 'natural' sugars that people bang on about. It's all the same.

[Taipan]

We very rarely eat takeaways as I (mostly) don't like McDonald's etc. If I had a £1 for every time i heard someone say we had a takeaway as CBA to cook, I'd be a lot better off for sure. Its like an obsession or addiction for them! I also hear many Gen Zs moaning about property prices, cost of living etc, but they're the ones buying Costa coffees and eating meal deals every day!

[Mr. Dazzle]

Don't forget all them avocados they buy!