Ozempic and suchlike...know anybody on 'em?

[gremlin]

I've tried near keto, low sugar, fasting (5/2, 4/3 & 18/6) and the NHS prediabetic program,

And I know I sound like a stuck record, but they're all short term fixes, like a prison sentence you just want to get your head down and finish, before getting back to your old ways. Find the good stuff that you like to eat and you've cracked it off.

[MrLongbeard]

Out of that lot I'd eat the peas and freshly boiled eggs.

My meal plan mainly centres on the below, snacks are celery, nuts and oranges.
In an ideal world I'd kick the wife and child out and then there'd be no crisps, chips, cakes, sweets or biscuits in the house.

Monday Lunch Tuna Salad***
Monday Tea Pizza
Tuesday Lunch Chicken* Salad
Tuesday Tea Huevos Rancheros** & Chicken*
Wednesday Lunch Tuna Salad ***
Wednesday Tea Steak, Eggs & Onion
Thursday Lunch Chicken* Salad
Thursday Tea ???
Friday Lunch Chicken* Salad
Friday Tea Huevos Rancheros** & Chicken*
Saturday Lunch ???
Saturday Tea ???
Sunday Lunch Chicken Pasta Salad (supermarket meal deal)
Sunday Tea Chicken* Salad

*Chicken thighs or breast BBQed, 120 - 150g cooked weight, various rubs
**2 eggs, 125g spinach, ½ red pepper, ½ onion, herbs etc, 120ml tomato passata
*** 120g tuna, 2 celery sticks, ½ red pepper, ½ onion, cheddar, salad cream

[MrLongbeard]

I've tried near keto, low sugar, fasting (5/2, 4/3 & 18/6) and the NHS prediabetic program,

And I know I sound like a stuck record, but they're all short term fixes, like a prison sentence you just want to get your head down and finish, before getting back to your old ways. Find the good stuff that you like to eat and you've cracked it off.

The stuff I like is why I am how I am near keto isn't overly onerous and aside from a pizza every week doesn't require any effort after a while.

[gremlin]

Out of that lot I'd eat the peas and freshly boiled eggs.

My meal plan mainly centres on the below, snacks are celery, nuts and oranges.
In an ideal world I'd kick the wife and child out and then there'd be no crisps, chips, cakes, sweets or biscuits in the house.

Monday Lunch Tuna Salad***
Monday Tea Pizza
Tuesday Lunch Chicken* Salad
Tuesday Tea Huevos Rancheros** & Chicken*
Wednesday Lunch Tuna Salad ***
Wednesday Tea Steak, Eggs & Onion
Thursday Lunch Chicken* Salad
Thursday Tea ???
Friday Lunch Chicken* Salad
Friday Tea Huevos Rancheros** & Chicken*
Saturday Lunch ???
Saturday Tea ???
Sunday Lunch Chicken Pasta Salad (supermarket meal deal)
Sunday Tea Chicken* Salad

*Chicken thighs or breast BBQed, 120 - 150g cooked weight, various rubs
**2 eggs, 125g spinach, ½ red pepper, ½ onion, herbs etc, 120ml tomato passata
*** 120g tuna, 2 celery sticks, ½ red pepper, ½ onion, cheddar, salad cream

Seems bob on.

Re the salad cream, passata, etc: read the label. Many have a shit-ton of sugar. Ditto the prep'd pasta, which is no doubt mixed with mayo and palm oils.

[Noggin]

My SDad eats a keto diet which I know works really well for him (along with his outdoor work in the HUGE allotment and the weight training twice a day). So I'm going to try and plan a month of keto to see how it goes.

Ketogentic comes with it's own downsides. Kidney function, increased cholesterol and halitosis*. Why go to extremes for a month and then revert? Change your daily intake a little each week by increasing protein and fibre, and not just animal-based, which is high in fat. Pulses are high in protein, so think lentils, chickpeas, etc. Fat free Greek yogurt, eggs and overnight oats made with protein powder. Or a slice of sourdough with ricotta, some berries and a dollop of Greek yogurt. All high in protein and fibre. Mash a banana with egg whites and make a sweet omelet (serve with a blueberry compote made out of frozen blueberries, chia seeds, drop of vanilla and a bit of sweetener/honey if needed. It can be refrozen in those little pots and microwaved in seconds) and yogurt. All high protein/fibre.

Try to get out of the mindset of 'diet' as this encourages short-term thinking rather than long-term change.

Soz - sounds a bit life-coach preachy.


*And 'rabbit starvation' in the extreme - Google it.

It all makes sense TBF - and I've avoided diets for about 15 years now for the reasons you describe !! The last one was Cambridge which essentially is keto but meal replacement - halitosis is solved by hydration

The problem is that I have an issue right now and have 4-6 weeks of not working (hopefully 4 !) that means I can follow something temporary without too much pain. Given the issue with bone healing and maybe my weight being an issue, something that still gives me all the nutrients I am already getting but slightly more extreme to lose weight faster is appealing right now (need something positive in life )

Going back to normal eating?? Well, my weight maintains/loses a bit on my normal diet, but the loss is really really slow (kind of deliberately because I've had an issue with my brain spazzing on diets before ) and I eat well/healthily, so I'm ok with returning to the norm after a few weeks, I really don't eat much in the way of carbs, I have bread in the freezer in case I fancy cheese on toast!! I really only eat sandwiches in the winter on transfer days, the rest of the times I can take a tub of salad and a chunk of protein! I've been the same weight within a couple of KGs for the last three years - until rehab where I gained 5kg

My big downside with your suggestions is that I can't eat beans and pulses The texture makes me want to gag/vomit !! Was interesting in rehab when served a plate of lentils and a slice of gammon or a sausage I'm already pretty high protein, not so much fibre, and have powder to hand if I think I am low that day

Honestly, I dieted on and off for most of my adult life until I decided to stop about 15 years ago, so I know most of what I need to do/could do, I'm now eating way better than ever before really, just suffering for lack of movement ability and wrong time of life


I so do not want the injection stuff (family has shown that actually you can take all that stuff and still NOT lose weight if you still don't eat right ) so maybe a month of serious effort with no work pressure will help

I'm ok with proper local meat, eggs, cheese n cheese products plus loads of salad/veggies (the "right " ones )


The lightest I've ever been was 11st 12 (75kg ish, size 12), absolutely not maintainable even back then So I need to lose around 13-18kg to get to something healthy AND maintainable (UK size 14) - I know I can't lose that in 4-6 weeks, but I can make a start


And sorry - this probably shouldn't be in this thread

[Taipan]

The best thing you can do for yourself is to read ingredients list on anything you buy. There is so much hidden sugars in stuff its incredible.



Also, check for meat content as things like made with 100% beef are misleading, as something like a burger could only have 50% beef in it and the rest is crap. Don't expect the big brand names to be a safe bet either as they are some of the worst! Even things like herbs and spices are full of crap with Schwarz being one of the biggest culprits. This lady often points out things worth knowing.

[gremlin]

I take my hat off to marketing people:

'100% beef' = There's other shit in there, but as far as the meat goes, it's only beef.

'One of your five a day' = It's sweetened orange juice devoid of fibre.

'Fortified with vitamins and minerals' = It's shit, so we've put some chemical nutrients in to salve your conscience at giving these to your kids.

'100% natural ingredients' = As opposed to unnatural ingredients?


Anything to baffle, bamboozle and mislead people into buying it.

And Tiepin is right about the sugar: call it what you want, it's it's all the same. Even honey or maple syrup is seen as somehow better for you. It ain't, it's still sugar. At the weekend my beer-bellied friend was wondering out loud about his gut, claiming that he never eats sugar, whilst holding a beer in his hand. I'm not saying don't eat it, I have a shocking sweet tooth, but know where it's hidden and make your choices accordingly.

And look at labels. If there's stuff in there that you can't buy in that supermarket, like HFCS, then put it back.

[MrLongbeard]

Re the salad cream, passata, etc: read the label. Many have a shit-ton of sugar. Ditto the prep'd pasta, which is no doubt mixed with mayo and palm oils.

Passata none listed
Salad cream, yeah I need to find an alternative that actually tastes of something
prepped pasta, not great, 11g per pot

[gremlin]

Re the salad cream, passata, etc: read the label. Many have a shit-ton of sugar. Ditto the prep'd pasta, which is no doubt mixed with mayo and palm oils.

Passata none listed
Salad cream, yeah I need to find an alternative that actually tastes of something
prepped pasta, not great, 11g per pot

As a suggestion, batch cook a big bowl of pasta, make a salad with it using and olive oil and balsamic dressing, feta, griddled chicken with the rubs. Will keep for a week in the fridge if covered. Make the dressing separately and use as you go, save it getting soggy.

Boil up half a dozen eggs and serve a couple with it. Pine nuts or walnuts give a bit of texture. Or homemade crutons.

[Taipan]

Fruit is heavy source of sugar, and one of the worse things is sweetcorn, I guess the clue is in the name! So its not as simple as switching to salads and fruits, you really do need to look into what contains what, and the more you look, the more you'll see, and with alot of food, you can't help but wonder how the big food companies have been allowed to get away with it. Anyone seen the Jamie Oliver video about pink slime? If you want info with both barrels, watch Eddie Abbew videos!

Unlike Gremmers mate, I know my weight has come from drinking, well that an an enforced sedentary lifestyle caused by various stages of disability, but also sheer laziness. I should have called a halt to my weight gain a long time ago and not reached the stage I'm at. Its easy to put on weight, but if you then get unexpected health issues, and a lot will as you get older, you will then have a real struggle to lose it again. So be smart and don't be like me!

[Noggin]

Also, potatoes, pasta and rice - cook them the day before and then reheat (gently) or use in salads.

I can't remember the name of the process, but if you leave them 12-24 hours before eating, the carbs break down somehow and are not sugar spikey!! (Sorry, I am starting to think my brian is actually dying this week )


I've been reading labels since I gave up sugar for a year or two about 20+ years ago. Didn't buy anything with an 'ose in it and binned other things for E's !! Just cutting out sugar means you cut out a ton of crap in the form of preservatives/chemicals because you have to cook things from scratch (I learned to make pitta bread ). I lost so much weight and I don't think it was "just" sugar - it was a combination of lack of sugar and (mostly) and complete change in diet and also not having preservatives/chemicals added to food

[Eclipse]

Rapid weight loss is key to long-term success, losing a significant amount of weight quickly leads to noticeable improvements in fitness and general well being and happiness, providing the encouragement people need to make lasting lifestyle changes.
Where as diets on the other hand can be difficult, slow yielding and depressing, which frequently lead to failure.

I think the do tablets now but there's quite a strict regime to take them ?

[Taipan]

Also, potatoes, pasta and rice - cook them the day before and then reheat (gently) or use in salads.

I can't remember the name of the process, but if you leave them 12-24 hours before eating, the carbs break down somehow and are not sugar spikey!! (Sorry, I am starting to think my brian is actually dying this week )


I've been reading labels since I gave up sugar for a year or two about 20+ years ago. Didn't buy anything with an 'ose in it and binned other things for E's !! Just cutting out sugar means you cut out a ton of crap in the form of preservatives/chemicals because you have to cook things from scratch (I learned to make pitta bread ). I lost so much weight and I don't think it was "just" sugar - it was a combination of lack of sugar and (mostly) and complete change in diet and also not having preservatives/chemicals added to food

I think its resistant starch you're talking about? Freezing bread and then toasting it is a good way to eat bread and teh only way I eat it now. Giving up bread was very difficult for me as I always take sandwiches for lunch when at work. I found it difficult to replace them at first, but now I take a salad, which I've gown to like , or boiled eggs and cooked meats etc.

[Taipan]

Rapid weight loss is key to long-term success, losing a significant amount of weight quickly leads to noticeable improvements in fitness and general well being and happiness, providing the encouragement people need to make lasting lifestyle changes.
Where as diets on the other hand can be difficult, slow yielding and depressing, which frequently lead to failure.

I think the do tablets now but there's quite a strict regime to take them ?

8 hour fast before taking them and a 30 minute digestion time before you can eat again. I'll stick with the once a week jab...

[MrLongbeard]

It's a sod to get them or the jabs on the NHS, I've had 2 consultants write up in my notes that I'm an ideal candidate* for them, but my GP's will not prescribe them.

*although I now fall under the BMI requirement of 40 for the NHS to prescribe them.... so private it is.

[Noggin]

Also, potatoes, pasta and rice - cook them the day before and then reheat (gently) or use in salads.

I can't remember the name of the process, but if you leave them 12-24 hours before eating, the carbs break down somehow and are not sugar spikey!! (Sorry, I am starting to think my brian is actually dying this week )


I've been reading labels since I gave up sugar for a year or two about 20+ years ago. Didn't buy anything with an 'ose in it and binned other things for E's !! Just cutting out sugar means you cut out a ton of crap in the form of preservatives/chemicals because you have to cook things from scratch (I learned to make pitta bread ). I lost so much weight and I don't think it was "just" sugar - it was a combination of lack of sugar and (mostly) and complete change in diet and also not having preservatives/chemicals added to food

I think its resistant starch you're talking about? Freezing bread and then toasting it is a good way to eat bread and teh only way I eat it now. Giving up bread was very difficult for me as I always take sandwiches for lunch when at work. I found it difficult to replace them at first, but now I take a salad, which I've gown to like , or boiled eggs and cooked meats etc.

I think that is it. I have to put bread in the freezer simply because I don't eat the loaf before it goes mouldy!! Even if I make a small loaf, there's always some that needs to go in the freezer!!

As for salads - I take salad. AND the boiled egg and meat

[Taipan]

Also, potatoes, pasta and rice - cook them the day before and then reheat (gently) or use in salads.

I can't remember the name of the process, but if you leave them 12-24 hours before eating, the carbs break down somehow and are not sugar spikey!! (Sorry, I am starting to think my brian is actually dying this week )


I've been reading labels since I gave up sugar for a year or two about 20+ years ago. Didn't buy anything with an 'ose in it and binned other things for E's !! Just cutting out sugar means you cut out a ton of crap in the form of preservatives/chemicals because you have to cook things from scratch (I learned to make pitta bread ). I lost so much weight and I don't think it was "just" sugar - it was a combination of lack of sugar and (mostly) and complete change in diet and also not having preservatives/chemicals added to food

I think its resistant starch you're talking about? Freezing bread and then toasting it is a good way to eat bread and teh only way I eat it now. Giving up bread was very difficult for me as I always take sandwiches for lunch when at work. I found it difficult to replace them at first, but now I take a salad, which I've gown to like , or boiled eggs and cooked meats etc.

I think that is it. I have to put bread in the freezer simply because I don't eat the loaf before it goes mouldy!! Even if I make a small loaf, there's always some that needs to go in the freezer!!

As for salads - I take salad. AND the boiled egg and meat

This is wear the Wegovy kicks, in as my brain now thinks I no longer want that much!

[Noggin]

I think its resistant starch you're talking about? Freezing bread and then toasting it is a good way to eat bread and teh only way I eat it now. Giving up bread was very difficult for me as I always take sandwiches for lunch when at work. I found it difficult to replace them at first, but now I take a salad, which I've gown to like , or boiled eggs and cooked meats etc.

I think that is it. I have to put bread in the freezer simply because I don't eat the loaf before it goes mouldy!! Even if I make a small loaf, there's always some that needs to go in the freezer!!

As for salads - I take salad. AND the boiled egg and meat

This is wear the Wegovy kicks, in as my brain now thinks I no longer want that much!

That happened to my SiL - she almost stopped eating because she didn't feel any need!! It's totally ok not to want that much, as long as you do actually have enough

(When I take all the stuff, it counts for breakfast and lunch!!)

[Taipan]

It's a sod to get them or the jabs on the NHS, I've had 2 consultants write up in my notes that I'm an ideal candidate* for them, but my GP's will not prescribe them.

*although I now fall under the BMI requirement of 40 for the NHS to prescribe them.... so private it is.

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[MrLongbeard]

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